Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@sourceware.cygnus.com; run by ezmlm List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@sources.redhat.com Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin@sources.redhat.com Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010625081920.02960db8@pop3.cris.com> X-Sender: rrschulz@pop3.cris.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:11:28 -0700 To: "Ken Collins" From: Randall R Schulz Subject: Re: Blunt Tools (was: cgf does not want private email about cygwin) Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com In-Reply-To: <20010625111149.B1176@pinksheets.com> References: <20010625101924.C9771@redhat.com> <20010625101924.C9771@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ken, I don't know about you, but I am a denizen of several lists on a variety of topics, and they all seem to be getting progressively more uncivil. I think in part there is a culture clash since these lists invariably contain a mix of newbies and old salts (I think I'm the latter, with 25+ years of programming experience). This tends to cause a mismatch of expectations about decorum and what is and is not an appropriate question or answer. In my better moments I write private letters to certain offenders, explaining why their posts are inappropriate and suggesting ways they can be better participants, largely by helping themselves on their own. At other times I tell people publicly that if their logic and expectations are so vastly flawed, perhaps they're in the wrong business. Well, I've never quite said that, but if I were to generalize, the two things that bug me most are people using public fora as their _first_ recourse when faced with a bump in the road and the incredible lack of clear thinking ability. Youngsters who are utterly uncritical about their brilliant ideas are right up there on my annoyance list, but I don't like to quash nascent creativity. I usually give those people public history lessons and suggest that they find some giant on whose shoulders they might well stand. The Yahoo groups "extremeprogramming" list is hands-down the worst I've seen for nonsense, religion and general BS. I had to unsubscribe from that one in an effort to manage my blood pressure. Randall Schulz Mountain View, CA USA At 08:11 2001-06-25, you wrote: > > So, I will be sending this "cgf does not want..." message on a regular > basis. > > Hopefully, it will show up enough that people who search the archives or > > read email here will get the hint. > >Just make it your sig. Nobody will pay any attention to it anyway. > >Is it just me, or is the tone of this list getting increasingly curt and >unpleasant? > >Ken Collins -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple