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Short answer:
Make a file =E2=80=9Clepton.conf=E2=80=9D in the project directory, =
containing the lines:
[netlist.hierarchy]
traverse-hierarchy=3D0
Long answer:
You=E2=80=99ve mixed spice-style and layout-style hierarchy. =
Layout-style, with hierarchy traversal in the netlister using source=3D, =
connects pinlabel to refdes by name using symbols with device=3DINPUT or =
device=3DOUTPUT. Spice-style connects pinseq to refdes, in =
lexical/numeric ordering (P10 after P9), using device=3Dspice-IO . =
Spice-style is intended for separate netlisting of subcircuits, while =
layout style flattens out the netlist.
Spice-style has a few problems:
1. The pinseq attribute is overloaded, used also for slotting. This may =
cause conflicts.
2. The association of lexical/numerical ordering of symbol refdes with =
pinseq is confusing and error-prone.
3. It=E2=80=99s incompatible with flattening netlists for layout.
This is why I made spice-noqsi work properly in layout-style without =
flattening (traverse-hierarchy=3D0). You never need to use spice-style =
(although you may) with spice-noqsi.
> On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:59 PM, conover AT rahul DOT net (John Conover) [via =
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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> John Doty writes:
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>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 7:50 PM, conover AT rahul DOT net (John Conover) [via =
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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>>> http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/imm-6.tar.gz =
<http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/imm-6.tar.gz>
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>>> which is the gEDA sources.
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>>> Changing the program names to the Lepton equivilents, all works =
fine,
>>> except the Spice file, schematic.cir, has only the power supply on =
the
>>> top level, schematic.sch.
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>> Well, that=E2=80=99s a complete, complicated project. Can you strip =
it down into a simple test case to ease debugging? Something like:
>> with a single, embedded component.
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> http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/toy.tar.gz
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> 1 transistor, 1 R, 1 C, in 1 X, tape archive is about 4K.
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> John
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> John Conover, conover AT rahul DOT net, http://www.johncon.com/
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John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Short=
answer:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Make a file =
=E2=80=9Clepton.conf=E2=80=9D in the project directory, containing the =
lines:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; =
line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco; background-color: rgba(255, =
255, 255, 0.93);" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: =
no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">[netlist.hierarchy]</span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; =
line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco; background-color: rgba(255, =
255, 255, 0.93);" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: =
no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">traverse-hierarchy=3D0</span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div>Long answer:</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>You=E2=80=99ve mixed spice-style and layout-style =
hierarchy. Layout-style, with hierarchy traversal in the netlister using =
source=3D, connects pinlabel to refdes by name using symbols with =
device=3DINPUT or device=3DOUTPUT. Spice-style connects pinseq to =
refdes, in lexical/numeric ordering (P10 after P9), using =
device=3Dspice-IO . Spice-style is intended for separate netlisting of =
subcircuits, while layout style flattens out the netlist.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>Spice-style has a few problems:</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>1. The pinseq attribute is overloaded, used also =
for slotting. This may cause conflicts.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>2. The association of lexical/numerical ordering =
of symbol refdes with pinseq is confusing and error-prone.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div>3. It=E2=80=99s incompatible with flattening =
netlists for layout.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>This is why I =
made spice-noqsi work properly in layout-style without flattening =
(traverse-hierarchy=3D0). You never need to use spice-style (although =
you may) with spice-noqsi.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov 16, 2021, at 1:59 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:conover AT rahul DOT net" class=3D"">conover AT rahul DOT net</a> (John =
Conover) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">John =
Doty writes:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Nov =
15, 2021, at 7:50 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:conover AT rahul DOT net" =
class=3D"">conover AT rahul DOT net</a> (John Conover) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""> <a =
href=3D"http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/imm-6.tar.gz" =
class=3D"">http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/imm-6.tar.gz</a> <<a =
href=3D"http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/imm-6.tar.gz" =
class=3D"">http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/imm-6.tar.gz</a>><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">which is the gEDA sources.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Changing the program names to the Lepton equivilents, all =
works fine,<br class=3D"">except the Spice file, schematic.cir, has only =
the power supply on the<br class=3D"">top level, schematic.sch.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">Well, that=E2=80=99s a complete, =
complicated project. Can you strip it down into a simple test case to =
ease debugging? Something like:<br class=3D"">with a single, embedded =
component.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/toy.tar.gz" =
class=3D"">http://www.johncon.com/john/archive/toy.tar.gz</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">1 transistor, 1 R, 1 C, in 1 X, tape archive =
is about 4K.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> John<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">John Conover, =
conover AT rahul DOT net, http://www.johncon.com/<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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