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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Refdes bug or Master Attribute Document on the Wiki
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From:	"Girvin Herr (gherrl AT fastmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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Date:	Wed, 30 Jan 2019 12:53:50 -0800
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On 1/30/19 10:07 AM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> writes:
>> But that should be a choice, defined by the scripting for a particular
>> flow, not in the core code. There aren’t just these two mechanisms,
>> either. Allegro, for example, has a much more elaborate mechanism that
>> keeps track of the symmetries within slots (which input to the NAND
>> you use doesn’t matter), as well as the symmetries between slots
>> (which slot your use doesn’t matter).
> I think this legacy treatment of refdes's by PCB is "universally
> unliked" by devs, and perhaps there are few enough remaining pcb users
> that we can safely nuke it from orbit now.
>
DJ et al,

The point of my original posting was to shed light on this anomaly. By 
my experience, this feature is already "nuked" in gEDA, since it does 
not seem to work. However, since it is "nuked", why not remove the 
feature from the Wiki documentation (Master Attribute List for one), 
which still says it does exist? Until that is done, it is potentially a 
user-frustrating bug.

IMHO, The suffix feature is mainly for ease of reading the schematic, 
especially by those who are not aware of the slots. This is most 
advantageous in service manuals, where technicians not aware of the 
original circuit design, are reading the schematics. In my view, the 
gEDA workflow and tools certainly do not need the suffixes to function 
properly.

Since I am making a note to no longer put the suffixes on refdes's  in 
my future designs, and to use the work-around I mentioned in my OP 
instead, my workflow is fine.

Thanks.
Girvin

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