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On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:54 PM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 23, 2015, at 7:41 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> In other words: gschem urgently needs a button "make a PCB from
>>>> this" and also a "simulate this" one.
>>>
>>> Simulation is as simple as pushing a button? Which simulator? Where
>>> are models? Which notion of hierarchy are you using? Which
>>> schematics? How are your stimuli generated? How is output displayed?
>>> So many options. Putting this into gschem is too complicated. You’d
>>> need subsystems for script editing and something like make. Except
>>> that excellent tools for those jobs already exist. A toolkit should
>>> use them, not reinvent them badly.
>>
>> John, your failing here is that you refuse to consider the option of a
>> toolkit that provides easy-to-use defaults.  You assume a toolkit must
>> always be used the hard way, and must not provide any convenience
>> features.
>
> “Convenience features” that don’t work make it harder to discover what works. I’ve been struggling with Vivado lately…

This is something that seems to eat up everyone's time. Fighting with
John. Look I happen to think that to a point he is correct about how
the tools  architecture should be shaped. That said yes I wish it was
a point I did not have to hear about so often. Why must everyone take
the bate when these comments are made. This thread has real potential
to but instead here we are again fighting about something that could
have been ignored until it is mentioned in a meaningful context.


> John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
> http://www.noqsi.com/
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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>
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