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| Subject: | Re: [geda-user] Announcement: gnet-spice-noqsi
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Hi John,
I had a simple rectifier for which I had to make a separate schematic
(needed
subcircuit model for a part) for ngspice so I gave this a shot. Its a very
simple case and I'm not much of a SPICE person so just tried dropping your
backend in place of the original. I don't know if it's supposed to work
as a
drop-in replacement for spice-sdb, but it didn't. I didn't spend much time
but
it wasn't immediately obvious what attributes needed to be changed/renamed,
maybe a note on migration would be useful?
This is a very small simple circuit using device, value, model, and
model-name
and so far as I recall nothing else that spice cares about.
I'm attaching the .sch input, spice-sdb, and spice-noqsi netlists, and
complaints that ngspice gives when I try to run it (looks like the model
values
don't make it in).
Britton
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>
> The spice-noqsi back end for gnetlist has reached a state where I believe
it is ready for ordinary gEDA users. My goal has been to make it easier to
construct schematics that can be input to both simulation and layout. Past
SPICE netlisters for gEDA have tended to force the user to maintain
separate simulation and layout schematics for several reasons:
>
> 1. The use of pinseq attributes for sequencing connections is
incompatible with the use of pinseq for slotting.
>
> 2. Component reference designator prefixes in SPICE are sometimes
incompatible with printed circuit conventions.
>
> 3. SPICE primitive models aren't always compatible with actual discrete
components. The most common example is the MOSFET, where discretes rarely
have a separate substrate pin, but SPICE needs one.
>
> 4. Discrete device models may be subcircuits, even for "elementary"
components.
>
> 5. Previous SPICE netlisters have expressed hierarchy in a way that's
incompatible with gnetlist's hierarchy traversal.
>
> Previous SPICE netlisters have attempted to cope with these problems by
identifying and fixing special cases. That works most of the time, but when
it doesn't work the problems are intractable.
>
> My new spice-noqsi netlister avoids these problems by recognizing some
new spice-specific attributes. The most important is spice-prototype.
Attached to a symbol, it describes how a symbol instance's attributes and
connections should be expressed to SPICE. You don't have to attach these to
most symbols: defaults handle most cases compatibly with previous SPICE
netlisters. However, when you need to, you can take control.
>
> To try it out, you'll need ngspice installed (and gaf, of course). Then:
>
> git clone https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi.git
> cd gnet-spice-noqsi/
>
> (for the next step you may need to be superuser)
> ./install.sh
>
> cd BBamp/
> make
>
> You should obtain a plot of the frequency response of an amplifier.
>
> Please try it out. Have a look at the README files, the schematics, and
the Makefile to understand how it works. Send me reports, suggestions,
complaints, ...
>
> John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
> http://www.noqsi.com/
> jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra">Hi John,<br><br>I had a sim=
ple rectifier for which I had to make a separate schematic (needed<br>subci=
rcuit model for a part) for ngspice so I gave this a shot.=A0 Its a very<br=
>simple case and I'm not much of a SPICE person so just tried dropping =
your<br>
backend in place of the original.=A0 I don't know if it's supposed =
to=A0 work as a<br>drop-in replacement for spice-sdb, but it didn't.=A0=
I didn't spend much time but<br>it wasn't immediately obvious what=
attributes needed to be changed/renamed,<br>
maybe a note on migration would be useful?<br><br>This is a very small simp=
le circuit using device, value, model, and model-name<br>and so far as I re=
call nothing else that spice cares about.<br><br>I'm attaching the .sch=
input, spice-sdb, and spice-noqsi netlists, and<br>
complaints that ngspice gives when I try to run it (looks like the model va=
lues<br>don't make it in).<br><br>Britton<br><br>On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at=
11:42 AM, John Doty <<a href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a>=
> wrote:<br>
><br>> The spice-noqsi back end for gnetlist has reached a state wher=
e I believe it is ready for ordinary gEDA users. My goal has been to make i=
t easier to construct schematics that can be input to both simulation and l=
ayout.=A0 Past SPICE netlisters for gEDA have tended to force the user to m=
aintain separate simulation and layout schematics for several reasons:<br>
><br>> 1. The use of pinseq attributes for sequencing connections is =
incompatible with the use of pinseq for slotting.<br>><br>> 2. Compon=
ent reference designator prefixes in SPICE are sometimes incompatible with =
printed circuit conventions.<br>
><br>> 3. SPICE primitive models aren't always compatible with ac=
tual discrete components. The most common example is the MOSFET, where disc=
retes rarely have a separate substrate pin, but SPICE needs one.<br>><br=
>
> 4. Discrete device models may be subcircuits, even for "elementar=
y" components.<br>><br>> 5. Previous SPICE netlisters have expre=
ssed hierarchy in a way that's incompatible with gnetlist's hierarc=
hy traversal.<br>
><br>> Previous SPICE netlisters have attempted to cope with these pr=
oblems by identifying and fixing special cases. That works most of the time=
, but when it doesn't work the problems are intractable.<br>><br>
> My new spice-noqsi netlister avoids these problems by recognizing some=
new spice-specific attributes. The most important is spice-prototype. Atta=
ched to a symbol, it describes how a symbol instance's attributes and c=
onnections should be expressed to SPICE. You don't have to attach these=
to most symbols: defaults handle most cases compatibly with previous SPICE=
netlisters. However, when you need to, you can take control.<br>
><br>> To try it out, you'll need ngspice installed (and gaf, of =
course). Then:<br>><br>> git clone <a href=3D"https://github.com/noqs=
i/gnet-spice-noqsi.git">https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi.git</a><b=
r>
> cd gnet-spice-noqsi/<br>><br>> (for the next step you may need t=
o be superuser)<br>> ./install.sh<br>><br>> cd BBamp/<br>> make=
<br>><br>> You should obtain a plot of the frequency response of an a=
mplifier.<br>
><br>> Please try it out. Have a look at the README files, the schema=
tics, and the Makefile to understand how it works. Send me reports, suggest=
ions, complaints, ...<br>><br>> John Doty=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0 Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.<br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.noqsi.com/">http://www.noqsi.com/</a><br>> <a=
href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a><br><br><br></div></div>
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