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> On Aug 26, 2022, at 7:03 AM, karl AT aspodata DOT se [via =
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>=20
> We have:
> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:master_attributes_list#device =
<http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:master_attributes_list#device>
> =
https://graahnul-grom.github.io/ref-manual/lepton/device-attribute.html =
<https://graahnul-grom.github.io/ref-manual/lepton/device-attribute.html>
>=20
> ///
>=20
> There is a typo in the geda text:
> Do not confuse this attribute with just having a text label which the =
device name.
> It should probaby say "with the device name."
>=20
> ///
>=20
> It seems to be required and made invisible, it doesn't say what is the
> point of having this and why I should have it in my symbols.
>=20
> So,
> . which backends are using this ?
A bunch.
grep '"device"' gnet-*.scm
yields a page of hits.
> . what kind of values do they exspect ?
The section "Built-in default prototypes=E2=80=9D at =
https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi/wiki/Reference =
<https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi/wiki/Reference> lists devices =
that spice-noqsi recognizes. spice-sdb recognizes a similar list, but =
handles each device with Scheme code rather than macro expansion.
Other back ends have other devices that get special treatment.
> . can we make a list of legal values ?
I believe that all back ends treat any value as legal, with default =
behavior for unrecognized values.
John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Aug 26, 2022, at 7:03 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:karl AT aspodata DOT se" class=3D"">karl AT aspodata DOT se</a> [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-user AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-user AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">We have:</span><br =
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
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href=3D"http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:master_attributes_list#device" =
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font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
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class=3D"">http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:master_attributes_list#device=
</a><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
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none;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://graahnul-grom.github.io/ref-manual/lepton/device-attribute=
.html" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
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0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D"">https://graahnul-grom.github.io/ref-manual/lepton/device-attrib=
ute.html</a><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">///</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">There is a typo in the geda =
text:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Do not =
confuse this attribute with just having a text label which the device =
name.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">It should =
probaby say "with the device name."</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">///</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">It seems to be required and made invisible, it doesn't say =
what is the</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">point of =
having this and why I should have it in my symbols.</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">So,</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">. which backends are using this =
?</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>A =
bunch.<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; =
font-family: Monaco; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.93);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" =
class=3D"">grep '"device"' gnet-*.scm</span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 10px; line-height: normal; =
font-family: Monaco; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.93);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; =
font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;" class=3D"">yields =
a page of hits.</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">. what kind =
of values do they exspect ?</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D"">The =
section "<span style=3D"font-size: medium; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D"">Built-in default prototypes</span><span style=3D"orphans: 2; =
widows: 2;" class=3D""><font size=3D"3" class=3D"">=E2=80=9D</font></span>=
<span style=3D"font-size: medium; orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D""> at </span><font size=3D"3" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi/wiki/Reference" =
class=3D"">https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi/wiki/Reference</a>&nb=
sp;lists devices that spice-noqsi recognizes. spice-sdb recognizes a =
similar list, but handles each device with Scheme code rather than macro =
expansion.</font></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"3" class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div><div =
style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=3D""><font size=3D"3" =
class=3D"">Other back ends have other devices that get special =
treatment.</font></div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
class=3D""><font size=3D"3" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></font></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">. can we make =
a list of legal values ?</span></div></blockquote></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>I believe that all back ends treat any =
value as legal, with default behavior for unrecognized values.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
border-spacing: 0px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-weight: normal; line-height: normal;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; =
widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><p style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; =
line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;" class=3D"">John Doty<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-tab"> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>Noqsi =
Aerospace, Ltd.</font></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:jpd AT noqsi DOT com" class=3D"">jpd AT noqsi DOT com</a></p><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></div></span><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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