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On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Britton Kerin
(britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:22 PM, <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2015, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 2:48 AM,  <gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2015, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Igor2 is off working on something using SDL because it is maintained
>>>>> but has a slower release cycle. The logical reason being that we don't
>>>>> really care about new gtk functionality but we have to burn time
>>>>> fixing things for each major gtk release.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SPOLIER ALERT: I am not talking about gschem or pcb here; I don't say
>>>> any of
>>>> the geda tools should or should not use gtk. I just share my personal
>>>> opinion about using gtk in general. I won't respond to text that ignores
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I think GTK is a bad idea long term (for any application), and it's
>>>> not
>>>> qt that'd solve this. My resoning goes:
>>>
>>>
>>> Google would agree with you they dumped it.
>>>
>>> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/12/0147256/google-to-replace-gtk-with-its-own-aura-in-chrome
>>
>>
>> Nice!
>>
>>>> - GTK doesn't look native on anything else than gnome. Most other
>>>> toolkits
>>>> have the same property: native only on one or on a few systems. So using
>>>> anything else doesn't make this worse or better. (If an app wants to
>>>> look
>>>> native on multiple platforms, it needs multiple native GUI frontends,
>>>> one
>>>> for each platform.)
>>>
>>>
>>> MATE is actively developed and based on GTK2 (migrating slowly to
>>> GTK3) because the users and developers like GNOME2 and hated using
>>> OpenGL for everything the way GNOME3 does.
>>
>>
>> SDL2 does this cleverly: you can chose, per window, to use software
>> rendering or acceleration, when you create the window. There are drawing
>> primitives that are compatible with both. I will make it possible for the
>> user to switch between sw rendering, hw accel and auto-select (default) at
>> application startup-time.
>>
>>>
>>> I said earlier on the geda-developers list that a good blue sky
>>> project would be giving geda a way to have multiple GUI's like pcb
>>> does with hid.
>>
>>
>> I second that. PCB benefits from having HIDs - not only because it makes
>> it easier to add a new HID, but I believe it made the code better by
>> inserting an API between the engine and the UI. I believe gschem could
>> benefit the same way.
>
>
> Having spent some time in hid/ lately I strongly dislike the idea of more of
> that sort of thing.  It adds zero new functionality, just allows people to
> doggedly cling to their favorite platform.  The implementations behind the
> hid diverge and make every actual feature you might wand to fix or add
> harder.  Gtk works.  Gtk2 works.  "It might break or go away 5 years from
> now" is not much of an argument for doing the big work required to support
> other things.

I think we need it in the long run. Eventually we should be adding
macos support.



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