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Date:	Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:00:25 -0400
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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Stop playing stupid political games with gEDA
From:	"Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 1:36 AM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with the developer mailing list being separate. In my
>> perception, this separation creates second class citizens.
>
> We used to have just one list.  The non-devs wanted the dev talk moved.
>
> We switched to an open dev list.  It was abused by non-devs.
>
> We switched to a closed dev list.  The non-devs complained.
>
> After a while, we had no devs.

Exactly how I see things.

> Now we have one list (geda-user) for general discussion, and we happen
> to have a few other mailing lists that generally have no discussion on
> them yet seem to be a hot spot for everyone who isn't on them.
>
> You refer to "the developer mailing list" as if it's some magic land
> where everything wonderful happens, but in reality it's just a list of
> people with git commit privs.

For years I had forgotten I was even on that list because no one said
anything there.

> We can't win.

Exactly.

> Just because the project is open source does not mean that everyone
> has a right to be on every mailing list.  There are some topics that
> are too trivial to warrant scrutiny (minor server issues) and some
> that should not be public for privacy issues ("people problems").
>
> As for "second class citizens" it's unfortunate that you look at it
> that way, it's a negative view, that someone who has acheived a goal
> somehow diminishes all others.  Certainly in any project there are
> ranks of participants, ranging from admins down to the uninterested.
> That most of the planet's population aren't admins doesn't make them
> "second class" - it just means if they wish to be admins, they have
> yet to earn it.  Likewise for those who aren't developers, those who
> aren't users, those who don't use computers, etc...

I need to think about this. Something does not sit well with me.

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