X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:12:22 +0100 (CET) To: "Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" X-Debug: to=geda-user AT delorie DOT com from="gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" From: gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu Subject: Re: [geda-user] pcb-rnd is no longer on geda mailing lists In-Reply-To: <5C63C909.9070307@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <5C63C909 DOT 9070307 AT xs4all DOT nl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Hello Bert, On Wed, 13 Feb 2019, Bert Timmerman (bert DOT timmerman AT xs4all DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: Thanks for all the good wishes, the same to you! I am trying to focus on the specific statemens/questions below. > I have learned from that period that pcb users are using and not developing, > sometimes contributing a (large) patch or bug report, which are most welcome. The pcb-rnd community is a bit different, probably more active: we have a core power-use plus developers group who generate a lot of relevant traffic on daily basis. This is mostly happening on IRC, so not visible in svn or mailing list archives. > > I also learned that the decision for a fork was made before it was even > discussed with me. The pcb-rnd fork decision was made back in 2013. I was active on the mailing list since about 2005 and tried to join coding too. I was maintaining pcb-gpmi (the scripting upgrade) since about 2010. I don't think the fork was a surprise for anybody back then. (IIRC you did not lead the pcb project at that time. I didn't have a time machine so I didn't know you would, that's how we didn't discuss it before the fork.) Anyway, it doesn't depend on one specific moment (e.g. moment of fork decision): there were multiple chances to align pcb-rnd and various subprojects of gEDA (including a potential pcb merger back in 2016), but it never really worked out. In the same time it was super easy to build working cooperation with some non-gEDA projects, so I guess it's just some fundamental incompatibility. Maybe both in where an EDA suite/ecosystem should arrive at long term and what path is leading there. So it's better to move on. > BTW: I noticed an enormous amount of commits have been done in pcb-rnd over the > last 3 .. 4 years, tens of thousands of them, my compliments to you. I guess > you may have retired from your day job to be able to do that ? Not really. I wish I could retire, but that's many many years from now! Instead I have an almost normal daytime job, in a conventional small company office and 2*40 minutes commute a day. The tricks are that I spend most of my free time on pcb-rnd and we have a real active core team who do a big chunk of the work and we have a system where administration costs are low. About the workshare: very often for a complex bugfix you will see 2..4 commits I make, but that's like 5% of the work - the 95% of the work was done by a fellow pcb-rnd developer or user who figured what exactly triggers the bug and crafted perfect minimal test case. Regards, Igor2