X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 20:16:45 +0100 From: mhx AT iae DOT nl To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] (Off-topic) Question wrt driving HV piezo transducer In-Reply-To: References: <6221de93-bb98-d397-79b4-eecf3975c2e6 AT linetec DOT nl> <20180209161532 DOT 6AF57804CEFA AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <20180209204934 DOT CAA35804CEFA AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> Message-ID: X-Sender: mhx AT iae DOT nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 ClaraMail2-Webmail-AuthUser: mhx AT iae DOT nl Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On 2018-02-15 17:23, Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Hello, > > My apologies for asking a non-gEDA/PCB related question here, but I've > been asked to look into a project with a piezo transducer for distance > measurements. I was supplied with a transducer for research and > testing (the Airmar ARK41, f0 ~= 40kHz, drive = 1800Vpp max). > > The main thing here is that I'm not all that knowledgeable about > HV-transformers, and that there's not too much to be found on the > Internet, either in terms of schematic designs or in terms of > suitable/available parts. As we're talking about high voltage and a > rather pricey piece of hardware (some $350, I believe), I'd like to be > a bit better prepared than just build some stuff and blast away, with > possible catastrophic (read: expensive) failure. > > I was thinking about obtaining or making a ferrite-core transformer > with a 1:100 turns ratio, and driving this with a half H-MOSFET bridge > from an 18V (adjustable) DC power supply. Can someone point out some > existing designs? Or are there people here who are willing to discuss > some design ideas? For instance, I'm wondering if a resonant setup > (i.e. with a secondary HV capacitor in the nF range) is a good idea or > not, how to estimate a damping resistor in the output and quite a few > more questions. I do have some experience with old TV flyback style HV > generators, but this is a little different. The piezo transducer will electrically look like a big capacitor and with a 1:100 transformer you'll introduce a huge capacitive load on the H-bridge MOSFETs. At 40 kHz you're sure to destroy them with hard switching, maybe already within the first few HF cycles. Your idea of adding a small inductor in the primary of the transformer (or design the XFNR to have defined leakage) can counteract that. The switching frequency should be higher than the resonance frequency of leakage + transformer and the piezo capacitance. Added benefit is that you drive the transducer with sinusoidal current. It will not like the harmonics of a square wave, and it will probably foul up the distance measurement. I would start with 450V dc (double rectified line) because the transformer will be a lot easier. You can look at datasheets for CFL / TL lamp drivers, they are all using HV H-bridges and probably the notes will contain some magnetics ideas, too. Oh, and buy ear-muffs :-) -marcel