X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s2048; t=1476075876; bh=6FaiJMOvBYiOBn8QW27qOW7DjJCrPBLfMmsCeuq1Vec=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:References:To:From:Subject; b=lsX6GzDENAX1rhG9a+DRkl9zD7dPRE5e1anzDCJZ7neAftFHH8tgw8eOFlfFPhC1kRtSa+pYlr3QLIDGr+SKDz9YNAPS5i+5o/iZcQVOFeQswNXzlnAlCHb1GuJYqJBWrxhKeeu0YW5PRBed5kZ64LbzxMUmtWetZ8rtEjWDtLXV/5njfyxQRhoqVdb9iRCmli0k/Pyecu3gr7mhSYu//iVwrUWUucVeK1ygBbpwrJmXJGK++b56clQfDW+Zzh7l/eSy4a9wVCbgLK0pEJORssv0QzMim2dMEP3bC2i9RRVSZ3r/DRzGGv2keUSR99UVTf3cu0PasiJP7ZmoCQaiXA== X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 329656 DOT 68799 DOT bm AT smtp120 DOT sbc DOT mail DOT ne1 DOT yahoo DOT com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Ux.cQ2gVM1mVecurs7_EUcUWdNQJcbEiERUZazAviIY_LvZ NyCOM9jO6PEqCm3xBHC3_wdtWZWTNDYXNAzKrcUv.QLgg1sLG.yxpgciqT1. 39BqR7Qzcxy.ZN35N58mSpXVyuyrkui06DOx0lhnvH0zxOH3IxrB0As6ZS9e ZPaVpTDwXViKllvVhj2J2Qfc0x_RqMtuonIEugr2PqLydDUw8B.YJ04JfU0Y faR5FWScRuLT.fhB_vTe94xhxuOhHWgbocF00z5dCC88M4Ch.E36ARR91m42 9h2T4anYvVb.aWS62bxTKi.vMbevczqTsmnN5tkfhPts.CqbxazMv.vqegMK bEECPNNoeXVVJz9O_abaWSFqQiwEqjT2qcSAj96ro6WtNB3sifVioxEmW9_T EAwEqSqyP32BeH.MsxIzffrVpFzIFU0fe1O20hRZ7S1KYs6FUxHRl18KGwRT FfKEPx5FdRIJwlj8lfUdprG9P5u9rMawbI7925.0Adas6Hva.Ws3j0Y01NxR mJ7yApAN4V.WSQlOLXCpTVF2Fnxo9hQX1wNBC7aVi4mw4M.tfhv0u9v.sbIf V X-Yahoo-SMTP: b8jVkbOswBAqZ4BhECp7nxPJUfTGEnEGv_G4qgQeZMeAbA-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] feedback on the new gschem, the panes in particular From: "Edward Hennessy (ehennes AT sbcglobal DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 22:04:35 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: "geda-user AT delorie DOT com" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id u9A54eG8010578 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > On Oct 9, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > like others I have some difficulty with the new panes: > > * It's not clear why things like Line Properties and Fill Properties > have such prominence as to be shown by default and perpetually visible > when pulling up a schematic. For symbol editing perhaps yes but in > schematic editing where many users spend most of their time no The goal is to have all dialogs docked, but I don’t have the bandwidth to implement the rest of the docking right now. I’m also in a bit of a holding pattern to see what happens with Xorn. When using gschem, the next two that I wish were docked are the page manager and the component selector. Automatically closing the sidebar is possible, but will resize the schematic window and cause a zoom. The sidebar can be manually hidden with the keyboard shortcut V A. Currently, the sidebar will automatically open when needed. > * On the Text tab: it looks like that is how editing text works, which > is potentially fine, docs are probably better than windows for this > sort of thing. But I don't want that pane taking up space otherwise > so it needs to be able to pop out on demand > > * I can't tell what Find Text tab is doing. It doesn't seem to find > either text descriptions or refdes. It needs tooltips or something This window shows the results of a text search, but not the search entry. To get the search entry, use Attributes->Find Specific Text… You can also use the keyboard shortcut T Shift-F. Added functionality includes searching for both globs and regular expressions. > * Search needs a keyboard shortcut. The measure of whether you've > implemented search right is if users start using it for navigation > instead of eyeballs and scrolling. If they do it's a huge win, > otherwise it's just burning screen space. Using tab to get to the > search window focus is insufficient, because especially with the other > side pane there are too many focus targets to go through, and gtk does > a terrible job of showing which one has the focus (on my system at > least). It would be awesome if / started a search over refdes and > text that gave some kind of feedback as the search narrowed. Failing > that just a focus change to encompass matching objects on return, > select the objects and maybe put the number of matches in that status > bar, and it would be useful. The keyboard shortcuts don’t even show on my system. > All in all the new panes seem like good concepts on some real > problems. Docs > windows. Good search is awesome. However neither > are good enough that I want to see them yet. Fingers crossed that > they get there eventually :) > > Britton