X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6qeLzpnfqv2qZxM/vNRPDDI0LgOrJuCONQGfcWL6VxU=; b=n3r3V3WgYbnfRcA0+3HCpmECJMlsid3LsA+fjeMwmYImW7d+4UuqzTEsIvW4vqbPdF SBonKRQzWJaK+/5yV1FU4oV+Z0/qT2iF8ugA4guZ3w9wx9MpthdTo6n44yHKbNiTuPcX PFBcgMkWOSYXr8c3PnSA2mVPaua6eYIPzQoAZXYyA0BwiBcoEBBrbfF+wTaVWBQBW7Bw kwycrQZd1ChvfmBwY/D3ExXjKsWVjP3oNnoLK61k41HDok8y4NozggBL8uRGgy5tm42a cZBR1pN+/30Yisp6Qq9HeDG+4J/2D1TPdkGAMnLTH2YQOKalXJ6pTuzMglbizZ+ITcUT au/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6qeLzpnfqv2qZxM/vNRPDDI0LgOrJuCONQGfcWL6VxU=; b=gmXBhs5VJq2eHorKEHZZ8uFYENkgIC60MU/V+nCHexr0pmbeZykl8Lzro4yPmAqBWL fj5LfW4hc3e09RMwoXQ1LA8XEP12D+izG12rUxFX7aqQDnVyYVml8YkR9I1o83bg1OMA 50CiHVMH1z26tJr02Pe0W5NCiNwpW0u/lp6WBDEjVEZEdqwlTjhCEOolksw7OHot1lQd AtjQyrtn7HNGufKCZUiup4v5FxbMbtTAi38W7FH2nuoq3ihe3VR0VHUaE7iRye6UsoH9 +OCn2Hg96DznSiL5gl77WTVDR1uiLbIEQGWQ+XmcS+jAif3lfEGvEZPPCSXP5uGuq2GG UCGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RknKoWqsJRdnW/LsUNia0GeD13OBwPirTsKvaH/JeIZOXTl/5REus6/68NwE4WbjK0b/DxsoW+6hj1hXw== X-Received: by 10.55.64.21 with SMTP id n21mr26240279qka.137.1476059045412; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 17:24:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 16:24:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: [geda-user] feedback on the new gschem, the panes in particular To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com like others I have some difficulty with the new panes: * It's not clear why things like Line Properties and Fill Properties have such prominence as to be shown by default and perpetually visible when pulling up a schematic. For symbol editing perhaps yes but in schematic editing where many users spend most of their time no * On the Text tab: it looks like that is how editing text works, which is potentially fine, docs are probably better than windows for this sort of thing. But I don't want that pane taking up space otherwise so it needs to be able to pop out on demand * I can't tell what Find Text tab is doing. It doesn't seem to find either text descriptions or refdes. It needs tooltips or something * Search needs a keyboard shortcut. The measure of whether you've implemented search right is if users start using it for navigation instead of eyeballs and scrolling. If they do it's a huge win, otherwise it's just burning screen space. Using tab to get to the search window focus is insufficient, because especially with the other side pane there are too many focus targets to go through, and gtk does a terrible job of showing which one has the focus (on my system at least). It would be awesome if / started a search over refdes and text that gave some kind of feedback as the search narrowed. Failing that just a focus change to encompass matching objects on return, select the objects and maybe put the number of matches in that status bar, and it would be useful. All in all the new panes seem like good concepts on some real problems. Docs > windows. Good search is awesome. However neither are good enough that I want to see them yet. Fingers crossed that they get there eventually :) Britton