X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com IronPort-PHdr: 9a23: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 X-Ironport-SBRS: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A2FAAgCxWMZX/52AA4BcHAEFARgGgwwBAQEBAR6BU4J5ijaeYYw2ggGCZoIngRACgVw4FAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAlsngjIEAxMFghEBAQQ6TwsYCRMHCw8FDTwTiCoDFwW6DQ2DPQEBCAIBJIYuhE2CQ4Fjg0eCLwWIM4ZnigI0jF6CSI9hiD+ECYN5HjaCfYFVHDSFRYEnAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.30,260,1470726000"; d="scan'208";a="38833620" Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 21:16:44 -0700 From: Larry Doolittle To: "Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] Microwave PCB layout simulation or How to eat all your processing power in 3 easy steps Message-ID: <20160831041644.GA6695@recycle.lbl.gov> References: <57C09C3C DOT 7020708 AT xs4all DOT nl> <1802d6ac-d9d7-684e-ef8b-2061e2557bcf AT neurotica DOT com> <0f623d55-c654-88af-ca54-52bb385f51e0 AT neurotica DOT com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0f623d55-c654-88af-ca54-52bb385f51e0@neurotica.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Evan - On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:42:13PM -0400, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On 08/30/2016 11:23 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >>> I was hoping for some wisdom from the crowd too. I am not a microwave > >>> dark artist and we have a resident phd in physics who might have a > >>> thing or two to say. > >>> > >>> Igor2 and I were talking about it last night. We got really excited > >>> about FEM solvers but does anyone here really want / have the ability > >>> to use this? > >> > >> I'd sure as heck use it! I think it'd open this up to a whole > >> different world of PCB users. I think it'd be huge. > > Ok. What are your use cases for it? You and John are the only two > > people who responded. > Filters and antennas, primarily. Crosstalk, VSWR of microwave circuits and high-speed serial routing. They are hard problems. Even with ideal software, getting good data on a PCB process can be tough. Lots of people make test boards for their own use, and then hope (and check) that the manufacturer doesn't change the process. - Larry