X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ACANtwGwggL2iIGmJGPkNGv5a+HHDxcyCutViGt+yII=; b=ZtFjkxhIWXY5Fg4jlaULGZGIY2ehbLn5+w3oySUxPQ9OzZNfEvcQBCIoYFe2RrqmJB gcsODQJzvSi2totHxKbY3jvO2U+Oa1sK1MuumkvxRRG1EEFsB/ZtTTOZa/0emuN6Doj+ MFk5Yv9Y/ulm6o/pLykptulh1lHYhedHHQHIUEd0tISiVSppPDv5o7V0DnpCXqTnmctn JaG2aNYcimKACbbotfScJU1ETFCY5PASdRms0wF3S9QspDy4z+7N/IWIY/dphJdvCB6t nEUM4wD6kSBinMX32dwQUHPo/E1bbyzZjc21zOZmO2qYO/Pu+1p2bpeHjIEhBavxMO8w MTyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ACANtwGwggL2iIGmJGPkNGv5a+HHDxcyCutViGt+yII=; b=GPudlucefNey5JQGfy6xOMUbB3xHsuUvF75jHUq0mFZZoz7nMO2zD54smvd9eT6hxK cemTdK6cOa025649PdpwmP322MpPJgqILAT0I3nBcDj03BhGzKXLTQzbSEcbe+h1MBtz tbYVkKf9MV4bLH/TW8AUcSf5yr0dJbykLwIJL2reSKfqy+k4X9TpXIdgHlTGMddhMNpe XagbOUF69WZmVydFk4lt5Bv740HUOaj488gH/WeJWHpRIO4X6OShbXBwkXpPY90ZjLqf c9S3TheCx9wKeslXVdkJ+RUxzElYxi0iNa9YEoUSh/wRgTJQLr9tn4Fz+jd4rmBCjw6P qhwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvAegxu8iP3KBa4g2t4hVjMT/cWCRKLkIm/P5xoW81pT44h/ncUK9H8d6PimJKlLRnQ29nJ3LLVs12+KA== X-Received: by 10.46.0.220 with SMTP id e89mr21464201lji.58.1470281924777; Wed, 03 Aug 2016 20:38:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20160722171754 DOT GB17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160723065723 DOT GC17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160723092248 DOT GF17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160724053502 DOT GM17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160802091620 DOT GB3728 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160803040651 DOT 10ac6b40 AT akka> <20160803040914 DOT GB2649 AT localhost DOT localdomain> From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 03:38:44 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] scheme re-hash (was: ngspice integration in KiCad) To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id u743coME002810 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:49 AM, John Doty wrote: > > On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:53 PM, John Doty wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 3, 2016, at 12:09 AM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:06:51AM +0200, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: >>>>> "Vladimir Zhbanov schrieb am 2. August 2016: >>>>> >>>>>> 2) You seem to have not gotten my reasons for choosing Scheme >>>>>> after many repetitions. I've chosen it chiefly because it has >>>>>> already been the core language of the geda-gaf project. >>>>> >>>>> So your argument boils down to: >>>>> "Let's keep scheme because we have got scheme." >>>> >>>> Nope. >>>> >>>> I prefer to evolve what we have rather than throw it away and >>>> start anything from scratch. Reasoning: we have not enough man >>>> power to do such big changes; we'll discourage the users who still >>>> uses gEDA as is if we state that nobody supports it. >>> >>> Guile is essential to everything in gEDA. Guile scripting is the reason that gEDA can do so many things that KiCAD and Eagle can’t. Those who won’t use Guile can’t agree on what they will use. >> >> Guile is only essential because it is the only plugin mechanism. If it >> has been almost anything else we might be in better shape right now. > > What I see is a bunch of people who reject Guile because it isn’t their favorite, and they all have different favorites. I think this crowd would have pretty much the same problem with anything. Come on, Guile isn’t that bad. If a sexagenarian astrophysicist can use it to get things done, why can’t you? Because I would rather spend my time making something new than burning it away on scheme. Once more I am not alone in favoring C over scheme. 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