X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CVLb/N6D8lY1lYk7ZAFcUBuc+qbwfKLV0DR0AOYOj+o=; b=ophh7rMfJ8HkHRcYwPeiJS2NA5sxnXrsIcUm1dfX0DV/zafxl9ycOBXD4BTvPoCxKl oYV2k/3A2aveGuM6ggcYVUxYi0SiHZG/prHq5hLJGhgh0/wGSSkr6BigyLOe7jX7OvJC Jw+51ig+XtxhMIRoYe2mFig8P9is28g0Iz5/RV+FdZ6XbuHEis/bqrYz7a7tOqYAOyiJ KecHeGG441t1wyDPk34DI1Mc3xvze5cszb6L6aDn25A8P1ZbQGThMLbAUVJb48CTfFxA PELfBsxu6S2iSJ6teF28qzz1f0N9IPrjH07mo4r+UWSRDk3YzIAfPT3MFRRgB8Gc2LUa lA5g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CVLb/N6D8lY1lYk7ZAFcUBuc+qbwfKLV0DR0AOYOj+o=; b=B8OABI9OboCnKrdmoPIkqQsuewmJAn1VuERbyxgxphKHjUxBzewcNQjKyneEnf21q/ 4YrR1sDHX5kXwEaEatQzSpowIDT52Qr4+byXlBvYUGuICopzBICAINT30sf9yKbAVW7m nRRIA+1hn1lF63IdNsCc9SeI5yKAd+S0QRMXNkx0MmsK6vU4QqytiJj65vuSJDAHThfu +Vvn0TGspwAD63fUoQTMwMZGn9gbHCAWtaj2oCQGKjDlqso4Kfeeu96RlCsfR+3k9jem OvOpEA23FCGogZmu2SXfSp/JQhjPr7/vxzy2g+ML2EKNXUhf9Z3mndtOU1wMrlrStUxc xiVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousYaYzlavS87xFdb6XQXnk8l4fhdgQJZj+u6XZN/tMnEwq2ppqUQUS6Yn/vzBz91r8Qaa/CC0lLjlYS1A== X-Received: by 10.25.16.92 with SMTP id f89mr13924296lfi.143.1469937211415; Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:53:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98636CB4-9617-4966-9A5E-97F4263B2929@noqsi.com> References: <20160722171754 DOT GB17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160723065723 DOT GC17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160723092248 DOT GF17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <20160724053502 DOT GM17595 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <98636CB4-9617-4966-9A5E-97F4263B2929 AT noqsi DOT com> From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 03:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [OT] ngspice integration in KiCad To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id u6V3raIv002979 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:34 PM, John Doty wrote: > Please stop bad-mouthing Vladimir’s excellent work. Guile is fundamental to gschem and gnetlist, and any improvements to guile scripting are improvements to the toolkit. > > None of this takes anything away from your excellent work on a different approach. This is a nice sentiment. > However, I do not approve of your ambition to have your alternative replace gschem and gnetlist. This is not. > That may happen naturally in time, but it is not a reasonable goal to pursue directly. If that isn't what you expect from Xorn over time what do you imagine it doing? > Please concentrate on Xorn and its potential advantages. If you don't see it replacing more of geda's core what do you (John) see as the point? > On Jul 28, 2016, at 5:30 PM, Roland Lutz wrote: > >> Hi Vladimir, >> >> I took a few days off the mailing list and realized just how ridiculous this is. Noone except hardcore Scheme fanboys is pretending that Scheme is even a thing any more. >> >> The point you're trying to make (Scheme being to C what C is to assembler, etc.) was true at a time when there was nothing around like Python, Ruby, or Haskell. In particular, the reasons you brought up for choosing Scheme over other languages are even more true for Haskell. The reason not to use Haskell is also the same as for Scheme: users don't want to wrap their minds around some crazy programming language in order to get things done. >> >> Literally the only reason for not immediately removing Guile from gEDA is that this would break existing setups. There is certainly no excuse for making gEDA more dependent on Guile. >> >> Your're desperately clinging to a dead horse. Please don't blame others for not mounting with you. >> >> Roland >> >> > > John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. > http://www.noqsi.com/ > jpd AT noqsi DOT com > > -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----