X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com From: Kai-Martin Knaak Subject: Re: [geda-user] Who can you work with? Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 16:31:01 +0200 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet AT blaine DOT gmane DOT org User-Agent: KNode/4.14.10 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Evan Foss wrote: > There is at least one thread right now where people are just > re-re-re-re-re-rehashing ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rehashing of problem areas serves an important purpose. It keeps the issue in the minds of the community. > old fights. I'd rather see people publicly disagree and reiterate arguments than declare certain topics a no-go area and cover the discord with silence. More likely than not, the "banned" aspects of the suite will remain untouched in the code base indefinitely. Consequently, the problems that gave rise to the controversy persist, too. This is not just a theoretical scenario I make up on the go. There is an informal don't-touch agreement in place when it comes to the default library of symbols. Consequently, the library has not seen significant changes since about 2006. This would be acceptable if the default lib were close to perfection. However, it is far from that. A flat, one stage hierarchy places exotics right next to standard parts. Digital components by DEC, anyone? This is aggravated by the fact that the symbols in the library are not ready-to use for the most common purpose (no footprint attribute). And please don't tell me that gedasymbols.org makes up for the out of shape default lib. Gedasymbols is certainly one of the assets of geda. But it just does not cater efficiently to newcomers. Consequently, one of the immediate benefits of choosing kicad or eagle over geda is an immediately usable, extensive library. The default library of symbols is not the only no-go area established in geda country. It just happens to be the one on top of my head. ---<)kaimartin(>---