X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AOs40RSslbffzb7cYSYX/6TYjRxxfvriSfuf3rh/c4Y=; b=ADCfjfX8JCVgFYBA+hEj9l3n0zk34klPGONShBuFikq37fcuL6H7J3bQmq0XRLCYby odJp7Vde3w7JRapl0tT5n5+F0seIvGd5gfkH58+4TRnGD94fq5l7Gzo+MdxClorWHH+K T2/3H6HOSyGPs9QgPk4qqGLPZejNXzCowl7xVsTsUF4PxvNza6nn8XNjOBZgmWixFTw/ C4i7ku+hr7Es1Q02YDnqWUmSemZ87NBZ1QkbgyUo/1appWwECWCAh/hbKaXi22q/8/Z/ gIYLugNM5cLVtvotfzU3Rg+k+rYXod8klfW4NlKZgGbidxXfGMIgkMOvz4jc8AT+SRTO lmDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=AOs40RSslbffzb7cYSYX/6TYjRxxfvriSfuf3rh/c4Y=; b=Z8hq8FoiC+oHHLdkJWWxmLcH9wW3OjkPsIc/7R4ZQ2bSm1SDmeK+Q2iRVCgQRu5/LY lLLtoLHcZiLJ3JxgFCZqUYeuP0h99dhyj6j8QRlwwnA4ay3xTDAm+/fYYd6DSJiTKktw eKb5P3+lGVXrtt6put7VRKr7GZBbltHyZPWfuK3a4n1tv8AohbbcqP/H0dHMryCuvVeL ivmyUlxEPuyCgB3JyKanA9qHZMjPaocaeBJvmUyN2NsNzfZY3kHRslrdixQoWFSRHzkZ JITAoYwNBwcOcXzXOzqgIo48XoUflP31/IfiYe/4KVER/8gPnrn15uGLmJWzVnpEOHQA 3LeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousrL44Y6QTrumHFrQH1+hMuEJ2zFLwVf8fwRQ94au85TiebETdt2C8DPZ6FWgJTi5pOBTahIM7T04to3w== X-Received: by 10.25.201.203 with SMTP id z194mr9034573lff.192.1469580189535; Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:43:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 00:43:08 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why we just lost some users? -> Re: [geda-user] Stay or go? To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:34 PM, Russell Nelson (russnelson AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > That's Marvin's concern: Instead of listening to how the product could be > made more useful to everyone, you tell me how I can move away from how the > product works for everyone else. I said specifically that this was about what Marvin had as an issue. Specifically him. You are now the second person to chime in for no reason disrupting the thread with *your* idea of what is wrong. If you want to air your own issues by all means start your own thread. Sorry if I am being curt here but I am tired of people on this list hijacking threads. Also please stop top posting. > On Jul 26, 2016 7:14 PM, "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Russell Nelson >> (russnelson AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] >> wrote: >> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via >> > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> >> >> >> Ignoring the issues with developers and their problems with change >> >> would you please explain what it is you were hoping for in usability, >> >> workflow and gui that you were not seeing? >> > >> > >> > I share Marvin's concerns. Very simple usability concerns, which *ought* >> > to >> > be easily fixed: >> > >> > In gschem, I hit ^Z to undo. In PCB, I hit U to undo. >> > In gschem, I hit s to get into select mode. In PCB, s changes the size >> > of >> > things. >> >> Thanks but again I was hoping to focus on just Marvin's concerns with >> this thread. >> >> PS: gschem's keymap is user defined. I don't know about pcb. You could >> make them match if you really wanted. 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