X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=s5tehnika.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:Subject:From:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9JaF6rltoL3DRAcV4zJrH62hOZWSkfv1wNScdHSRRkc=; b=RQmtFvgLXg8uG6f7ncEZuoljiL d1M50rOX9Hi+49Dvt+/qnF3IvJJhbAQcOeTHsiiTdoFlmYo9iS2ZDzHWRyS0p4s5z3zs9j7smadpf Jak4u/7lXmdnMNS4shIlzqUUAeHpO51sO5hKlphtvUTlfvw2p4w9U+AXiM/CnTwhelEmqxp1maDwi KbGJ7kiVkZeSbAU2CbdDMzuWq6dweZhoiX7p18S5df+TCKvdyaP+cJ8DkO20N8Hj8y+vNVb5z3Q/+ LQ7K/vGttBgaK0E0eSSbltdT1UgRNNBGv6CwMarxJT4T1WL16Vx+jjt4CdfwZrWtdm5dbMljfR/Dt xXmRCE7Q==; From: "Brane2 (brane2 AT s5tehnika DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] Stay or go? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <98D1C4E4-581D-4A03-94E4-E0330960EADF AT wellesley DOT edu> Message-ID: <481e79b9-15d6-965e-8f14-4705b20df550@s5tehnika.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:27:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <98D1C4E4-581D-4A03-94E4-E0330960EADF@wellesley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.studiofaca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - delorie.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - s5tehnika.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server.studiofaca.com: authenticated_id: brane2 AT s5tehnika DOT net X-Authenticated-Sender: server.studiofaca.com: brane2 AT s5tehnika DOT net Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk My two centiEUR: Long time ago we have decided to get into open source scene and since I was working for Electronics magazine at the time, it was logical to look into CAD and start using it. There is lot to be said for "free" CAD that your readers can use to load your design and make a board, edit it etc. So we looked into all known choices and at the time, came to the conclusion that gEDA+PCB were, sucky as the were, only choices worth mentioning. KiCAD came later, so I've checked that also. There are two deal-breakers for me: - Program's interface and workflow just doesn't click with me. It feels like swallowing a cactus. I just don't feel like my hands are free, when working with it. - KiCAD is based on C++, which means heaps and loads of object pr0n. After a while, I learned to understand gEDA/PCB sources. Staring into KiCAD's just gave me headache. At present, I have two versions of PCB on the system. One that is based on latest official version, and another, that is generated from my branch of pcb-git sources. That one I can generate simply by starting projerct build in CodeLite. I get new PCB in my user directory and lately, this is the version that I use most often. Until now, I didn't do big changes on it, but that is changing exponentially. It has additional layers and it is translated to our language, and now has some very annoying bugs killed, like that one for polygon holes,etc. With PCB, however faulty it is, I have feeling of having control over usage and development. With KiCAD, I don't. Not to mention that those object oriented projects usually end up being slow and overly depending on sh*tload components and conditions your particular system doesn't have. When I see eg boost as a dependency of some package , I usually start looking for an alternative. I intend to use PCB as a canvas for my version. Until then, I intend to participate in bug hunts and tweak sessions in this one. While using it, of course. Branko On 23. 07. 2016 16:16, James Battat (jbattat AT wellesley DOT edu) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > Dear gEDA folks, > > I’ve used gschem/pcb for several (modest) boards now, and love many things about it. > I do not love what I perceive to be deep friction and lack of cooperation among developers. > > It makes me wonder how long gschem/pcb will endure. And therefore I must decide if, as a user, I should invest any more effort to learning the platform and building up custom footprint/schematic libraries, etc, or instead transition now to another platform. > > This may be an unfair question to ask on this forum, but here goes: > > What do you see as drawbacks to KiCad (wrt gschem/pcb)? I’m on the fence about transitioning away from gschem/pcb. Why should I stay? > > James > > > >