X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=W66nU3u+BiYvzhDfpjuvht85e+uVAvDIo/aVqF2VVAQ=; b=Ph/UFnNmtyNkfiZY5Pyl+0KINl8pmqKbqMEawlzkmfbrbLej/33i4fCM13WsPlPtMj n3IFD6kpdnd41idsCfkMzNBucW7icK2RG8NlK26/MplqvBI0/8WupblTm3/iopW8Xi8T tGDKAp//Sp2nJSWPlm+pW+pLnpNaEPS025pP6GFHogfb951jOoSNo4Zg4GVL3k/WEh5b ajL11EwKq4C8J+AxAwXPT64dkAT4yxzxIFdONDHsBne2pcapRWsPo/RpArp/0dvrZ6Ad mchy4hgaiV4Wj0pjE0ANdG/h3aAEq1o99oNJE34Dj0cRa+kwBLfGn39SJg4Az7DKsNPV 5oNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=W66nU3u+BiYvzhDfpjuvht85e+uVAvDIo/aVqF2VVAQ=; b=CNPTvFY709DWVDS5FxbN3owWxFsHD+n0R75bmlGnQmmgm6ngaTsN7FCzq9xJw8eaDF gX+uCYca4OrIG65x5ZKxbd58CWskpO9km6m+bnwf6PigJHzX6Boto9BpQeCNh1q2pb3s nTQler+gZgTP3Ha91KJKkcuIZpTXWzaw9KTa45TO8P2zYFed7VLwRtLUYVfhJD42JB9j X6vFCadpb3gPLu/yWVifhQ/oPMhh8Bzh6C4c+EQb/RIxE8KcIT27p4Wcr/buvT9Z3bY6 SLyeqDx4ziyhfTKTzdmT96AKU/OWpxNDjETZ9XHewzpesRtEtMgxyz+cnY0xnn84+BdE ggZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVxoO1OC7aR1lpi5ujFwbOCn/h114Jxe9SrxI+9WbPexgLxEzbbcTA1QDGXUznKJi+1oOA2QNqdufNbSg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.135.135 with SMTP id j129mr10452252wmd.101.1463258607880; Sat, 14 May 2016 13:43:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <154a7fb8d8c-2a04-17506 AT webprd-a31 DOT mail DOT aol DOT com> <20160513081037 DOT GA23474 AT visitor2 DOT iram DOT es> <5735ACC6 DOT 30105 AT iee DOT org> Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 12:43:27 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Re: gschem annoyances (C++) From: "Britton Kerin (britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > this field, and because C++ is much closer to collapse under it's on weight > (e.g. how many years does it take for a new programmer to truely learn C++, > all features included? And what's the release period of new C++ standards?) > > (C is growing too, unfortunately: C11 introduces a lot of new features Yeah C11 introduces what I consider the first big standard bloopers in C: weird character support and type sensitive math function resolution (violates the otherwise constant characteristic of C that says a non-static fctn name has exactly one meaning). > compared to C99 and removes only a little amount of obsolete stuff.) > > Again, I don't want to get into a "my favorite language is better than > yours". I don't want to convince anyone about anything. Especially that such > changes/aspects wouldn't affect me in any way neither in pcb (because of > pcb-rnd) nor in geda/gaf/gschem (because of my rewrite plans). > > I merely wanted to state there's a minority opinion, when saw the above > totally C++-biased mail. Just for the record. I also like C a lot better. I made a couple genuine attempts to learn and like C++ too when I was an enthusiastic sprout, and was never able to convince myself that it was any good. Take a look at one of the many books covering C++ idioms in particular to see its problems -- things that you always want to do in large scale generic OO design frequently require bizarre contortions in C++. Britton