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On 12/05/16 20:05, Ivan Stankovic (pokemon AT fly DOT srk DOT fer DOT hr) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>> sql-backed objects
>> gets you rtree, undo and file format for free, and most of the nasty
>> bits of current pcb are gone.
> I prefer human-readable and human-writable formats, though I admit
> sql solutions do have some advantages.
>
Whilst the human-readable files/formats have their merits, and the
ability to 'hack' the saved files around with text tools is pretty
wonderful, it does sidestep the issue of not being able to actually do
the original tasks easily in-program and having to hack the saved files
manually instead....

I don't necessarily believe sql or a database back-end really offers any
advantages over text flat-file .. its rather using a sledgehammer to
crack a nut. I think the netlists might benefit from some relational
aspects, but surely most of it is just basic primitives .. unless I'm
heavily mistaken. Something more like one of the other text-based
formats (JSON, YAML, etc) would probably be quite adequate for gEDA/pcb
for the foreseeable future, and certainly until integration with some
probably db-focussed parts libraries actually comes to fruition.

MJE
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