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On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 03:55:44AM +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> Gabriel Paubert wrote:
> 
> >> Basista charges 77.16 EUR with VAT and shipping included for a single
> >> piece size 50mm x 100mm, 1.55 mm FR4, four layers, solder stop,
> >> connection check, no silk.
> > 
> > And they have outrageous charges for shipping outside Germany,
> 
> Apparently, not everybody wants to be a global player.
> 

Surprising isn't it?

> 
> > over
> > €45 for Spain for example (funny how they list Lesotho on their
> > pull-down menus, I suspect they mean Latvia).
> 
> They seem to be quoting regular DHL tariffs.

In my case it's almost twice what MultiPCB charges for S&H.

> 
> 
> > Right now I'm using multi-cb:
> > http://www.multi-circuit-boards.eu/en/index.html
> 
> Seems to be a Germany based company even thoiugh they are registered in GB 
> (Their directions point to the Munich area, German VAT applies, German 
> words sprinkled here and there in the English version of the layout...)
> 

Yeah, fiscal reasons, maybe. But I recommend them as a very satisfied
customer.

> 
> > The minimal drill size is 0.2mm, and standard (no surcharge) design
> > rules are 125/125µ (5/5mil) for four layers HAL finish and 100/100µ
> > (4/4mil) for 6+ layers (ENIG). Same example costs €59+S&H+VAT, but
> > a second board is only €10 (+VAT) more.
> 
> So multi-pcb is a little more expensive for the first board but 
> significantly better value at two. I like their online calculator.
> 

Actually, I've never ordered a single board from them (maybe a single
panel once if memory serves), because the incremental cost is so low.

> 
> > I'm considering Eurocircuits.
> 
> This company is registered as a GmbH in Germany but operates production 
> sites in Hungary and India. According to the time line given on their 
> website they started as a merge of a Hungarian company with a Belgian 
> start-up.

Indeed, their history is weird. Apart from selling to individuals, they
also offer as standard (low cost pooled) 4 layer with RF dielectric for 
the outer layers, which is something I need in another project.

> 
> Thank you for the hints.

Thanks for Basista, it's the first time I see blind/buried vias on an
online calculator.

    Gabriel