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On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Britton Kerin
(britton DOT kerin AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]
<geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via
> geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>> Am 06.10.2015 um 20:06 schrieb DJ Delorie:
>> > except for one thing...
>> >
>> > Instead of using the existing bug trackers, he created a new private[*]
>> > bug-tracker/PPA that implies that it's the official gEDA project page,
>> > and had all the work done in that tracker instead of the official
>> > ones.
>> >
>> > [*] I say "private" because it's owned by him, and not by the geda
>> >     admin group.
>>
>> You see, it's exactly this nonsense why I consider it pointless to put
>> any more work into gEDA:
>>
>> 1. This bug tracker isn't owned by me, it's owned by gEDAhead. A simple
>> look at the tracker would confirm this, but apparently you didn't even
>> look.
>>
>> 2. If I had seen a chance to remove my name entirely from the gEDAhead
>> effort I certainly would have removed it, because "ownership" is
>> something impossible in a collaborative effort. Unfortunately it's not
>> possible to remove my name; it'll stay there just because I was the one
>> who clicked "create".
>>
>> 3. Neither gEDAhead nor this bug tracker claims to be "official".
>> gEDAhead doesn't care about "official". gEDAhead cares about making
>> development convenient and about bringing results to the users.
>>
>> > He claimed it was done in the name of openness
>>
>> Right. There's the explanation you're missing so badly.
>>
>> If you prefer bugs fixed not only using a different bug tracker, but in
>> an entire code fork, please join Igor2, Peter Clifton, Stefan Salewski,
>> ... oh, wait, all these people don't want to join anybody. Too bad.
>>
>>
>> > but neglected to
>> > discuss it with any of the other admins,
>>
>> Up to the days when gEDAhead was successful, traditional admins were
>> entirely deaf. I wrote them, they didn't anwer at all. Others wrote
>> them, no answer either. Volunteers were clicked away without discussion.
>> You, DJ, claimed to have no business with this team (and actually were
>> member, but on the low privilege level).
>>
>> Now you try hard to find reasons to attack me personally. Not all five
>> members of the gEDAhead team, but only me. Granted, you can attack me as
>> much as you want. But by attacking you won't gain anything but you own
>> or gEDA's destruction.
>>
>> The really shocking fact for me is that the moment you became owner of
>> this traditional Launchpad team you fell into almost the same deafness
>> and stubborness your precedessors showed over the years. I had really
>> expected more from you.
>>
>>
>> Very obviously you simply try to cover the more than obvious failure of
>> the traditional team. gEDAhead was more successful in 10 days than the
>> traditional team in the last 2 years. Times have changed.
>
>
> I think it's not quite right to credit all this to gEDAhead.  There were
> numerous talks on the list about what might be done to get things going
> again and at least partly as a consequence a lot of people got the idea it
> might be worth participating.  A lot of that discussion predated gEDAhead.
> Others contributed as well with code sprint (wasn't that Bert originally.
>
> Your effort both code and code review has been really good, why waste the
> energy with this feud?  Having two parallel BTS is obviously a bad outcome
> whatever the cause.
>

I feel like Markus basically won when he was made admin. At the time I
thought it was wrong but I was not considering all the stuff Markus
had contributed. It now seems like a reasonable compromise.

What other than letting anyone who asks be admin would make things work?

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