X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=Kmy0pg3stRa3sBwzWLxObt2ke2rw0aP2tMzZBlsUreU=; b=wkMxp0fxbnPTYQUu1d4C5UBfxMDZda/NKPidLhJ5Z2IkaWBXtodpmHpCur5ZoLq9gO lIPzRcc5GGsCfwmdZYN6Uvuhai9sy7Z6pnj+siN6qy012X+8Ny9LM8B+zOtBdgt2Ic8+ qJEye8SIDwKZXhrfNupr+d2raz1d2DNeAmdX+6I0zamOFwY2WAcMH0Zs+A/l9Ykf1Bvu KL2k9OClQlDTKYVV5IXMP9MtrPN3rMWikqlT9FT6igvcVLhShP1iUUr7M/GMk0QDPLHD CRKTnhhN+84O3cXcqfYeCn3nb1HjjqCXSF1N+6pykbrTnfgQ6XxA9on4BcjvweIpsaE7 tERw== X-Received: by 10.25.17.94 with SMTP id g91mr10328372lfi.12.1444161930888; Tue, 06 Oct 2015 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 23:05:28 +0300 From: "Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] GTK3, Glade interface designer Message-ID: <20151006200528.GA15793@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <20151003210701 DOT de392b925f54dadb0a5fedd8 AT gmail DOT com> <1443903758 DOT 1873 DOT 13 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <56104A0A DOT 9020507 AT xs4all DOT nl> <1443909591 DOT 1873 DOT 18 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <20151003222248 DOT GB4287 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <1443913252 DOT 1873 DOT 33 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1443913252.1873.33.camel@ssalewski.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, Oct 04, 2015 at 01:00:52AM +0200, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Sun, 2015-10-04 at 01:22 +0300, Vladimir Zhbanov > (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > > And that's the "success story" of our community. > > Every smart enough hacker tries to rewrite everything in his > > favourite > > language. > > Hmm... > > I do not see much beside plain C and Scheme. Even the main geda-gaf repository has programs/utilities in C, Scheme, sh, Perl, Python. > > OK, gnucap is C++. And there was xgsch2pcb in Python. Maybe the toy > projects pschem and wardana, but I think the authors have spent only a > few hours on that. > > The "success story" of gEDA/gaf is more that some people like the old, > ugly and sometimes cumbersome tools and want to avoid all changes. Could you name any of those bad/evil guys? Let's kill them with fire :) Or could you propose instead some modern, beautiful (or at least not so ugly) and absolutely not cumbersome tools lying anywhere around to replace ours? ;) > > The other "success story" is, that for a long period no one was willing > to do something at all. Long time Peter C was the only active coder. > And although he was really smart, using C and avoiding visible changes > made it really hart for him. For example, he has worked long on the > cairo drawing for gschem. Mostly agreed. > > And of course there is scheme, GTK and limited Windows support. I don't understand, sorry. Is there any 'unlimited' Windows support? Or do you mean just Windows installer for geda-gaf? Cheers, Vladimir