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Subject: Politics & Launchpad Re: [geda-user] GTK3, Glade interface designer
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From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" <geda-user AT delorie DOT com>
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Markus Hitter (mah AT jump-ing DOT de) [via
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Am 06.10.2015 um 20:06 schrieb DJ Delorie:
>> except for one thing...
>>
>> Instead of using the existing bug trackers, he created a new private[*]
>> bug-tracker/PPA that implies that it's the official gEDA project page,
>> and had all the work done in that tracker instead of the official
>> ones.
>>
>> [*] I say "private" because it's owned by him, and not by the geda
>>     admin group.
>
> You see, it's exactly this nonsense why I consider it pointless to put
> any more work into gEDA:
>
> 1. This bug tracker isn't owned by me, it's owned by gEDAhead. A simple
> look at the tracker would confirm this, but apparently you didn't even look.
>
> 2. If I had seen a chance to remove my name entirely from the gEDAhead
> effort I certainly would have removed it, because "ownership" is
> something impossible in a collaborative effort. Unfortunately it's not
> possible to remove my name; it'll stay there just because I was the one
> who clicked "create".
>
> 3. Neither gEDAhead nor this bug tracker claims to be "official".
> gEDAhead doesn't care about "official". gEDAhead cares about making
> development convenient and about bringing results to the users.
>
>> He claimed it was done in the name of openness
>
> Right. There's the explanation you're missing so badly.
>
> If you prefer bugs fixed not only using a different bug tracker, but in
> an entire code fork, please join Igor2, Peter Clifton, Stefan Salewski,
> ... oh, wait, all these people don't want to join anybody. Too bad.
>
>
>> but neglected to
>> discuss it with any of the other admins,
>
> Up to the days when gEDAhead was successful, traditional admins were
> entirely deaf. I wrote them, they didn't anwer at all. Others wrote
> them, no answer either. Volunteers were clicked away without discussion.
> You, DJ, claimed to have no business with this team (and actually were
> member, but on the low privilege level).
>
> Now you try hard to find reasons to attack me personally. Not all five
> members of the gEDAhead team, but only me. Granted, you can attack me as
> much as you want. But by attacking you won't gain anything but you own
> or gEDA's destruction.
>
> The really shocking fact for me is that the moment you became owner of
> this traditional Launchpad team you fell into almost the same deafness
> and stubborness your precedessors showed over the years. I had really
> expected more from you.
>
>
> Very obviously you simply try to cover the more than obvious failure of
> the traditional team. gEDAhead was more successful in 10 days than the
> traditional team in the last 2 years. Times have changed.

I am trying to bump this to it's own thread.

> Markus
>
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> http://www.jump-ing.de/



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