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On Tue, 6 Oct 2015, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote:

> On 10/05/2015 11:34 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>>>  Well, considering the fact that I use gEDA and PCB nearly every day,
>>> *I* am the user base.  And to watch the traffic around here, I'm the
>>> only guy busy actually USING this stuff!
>>
>> I am an user too in that sense. Britton too. We both say scripting is
>> good, so you are losing this by rate 2:1.
>
>  Oh hey, no, I never said scripting wasn't good.  I like scripting.  I
> just don't like people getting their panties in a bunch when it isn't
> done in their favorite language so they insist it be changed to suit them.

CHange to suit them, sure. You are probably aware of the fact that 
scripting I did for pcb-rnd supports about 10 scripting languages, 
including scheme, a language that I do hate.

>
>  It also really annoys me (and this is nobody's problem but mine) when
> people complain about Scheme as being "hard".  This is electronic
> design, for chrissakes...it's orders of magnitude harder than Scheme
> could ever be.

I don't complain about scheme being hard. I've written this down many 
times already, but you probably missed it so I'll repeat:

1. I complain about the tight coupling between _any one_ scripting 
language and geda _core_. It is because I believe scripting makes sense on 
a different (higher) level, and core should be more stand-alone and 
scirpting language neutral.

2. again point 1, from the other aspect: users should be able to use their 
favorite language; it's impossible to support all languages, but at least 
trying to provide a few alternatives is better than hardwiring a specific 
language. Having to support alternatives also help inventing an API 
between scripting and core which can help keeping things clean.

3. I complain about the actual choice, scheme; not because it's hard in 
general, but because it's ugly (personal preference!), time wasting 
(personal experience), and even according to feedback on the mailing list 
is a blocker for many could-be-contributors.

Just because electronics design is hard, and some find scheme hard 
too, that doesn't automatically validate scheme as the best choice.