X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 07:52:54 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: igor2 AT igor2priv To: "Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" X-Debug: to=geda-user AT delorie DOT com from="gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu" From: gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu Subject: Re: [geda-user] GTK3, Glade interface designer (router, auto?) In-Reply-To: <56135E15.6000007@neurotica.com> Message-ID: References: <20151003210701 DOT de392b925f54dadb0a5fedd8 AT gmail DOT com> <1443903758 DOT 1873 DOT 13 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <56104A0A DOT 9020507 AT xs4all DOT nl> <1443909591 DOT 1873 DOT 18 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <1443975731 DOT 671 DOT 52 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <20151004191717 DOT bf8223417541a9306bfbd9ea AT gmail DOT com> <1443997480 DOT 2068 DOT 32 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <1444070851 DOT 1014 DOT 20 DOT camel AT ssalewski DOT de> <56133047 DOT 7030402 AT neurotica DOT com> <56133B15 DOT 6020402 AT neurotica DOT com> <56134243 DOT 3060203 AT neurotica DOT com> <56135E15 DOT 6000007 AT neurotica DOT com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Oct 2015, Dave McGuire (mcguire AT neurotica DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On 10/06/2015 12:07 AM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote: >>> list in the past several weeks are accomplishing little other than >>> proving that there can be no consensus here. >>> >>> Personally I treat this a bit like the existence of "goto" in C: It is >>> never, ever intended to actually be used in code. It is a "sign post". >> >> Do you have any reference on this? I mean a quote from the guys who >> actually developed C and added goto in the first place? Or is is just >> your guess? > > A "reference"? No, but your attempt to dismiss it as a "guess" will > fail. I hate name-dropping, so I won't drop any names. > > It was presented to me as an opinion by a mentor and former employer > of mine a long time ago, as he was teaching me the basics of C. Perhaps > we can call that an "educated guess". ~30 years of C programming later, > I've taken that opinion as my own. Perhaps we can call that an > "experienced guess". So, during this conversation: > > http://www.neurotica.com/misc/DSC_0193.JPG > > ...I asked "one of the guys who actually developed C" about it and he > concurred, with a hearty laugh. > > Close enough? > Nice. On the other hand I did some search and my impression is, according to quotes and books written by those guys, is that they didn't mean goto to be never used. They rather meant it used with care. Wikipedia has a nice summary on this: 'In their quasi-standard book on the C programming language, Dennis Ritchie and Brian Kernighan warn that goto is "infinitely abusable", but also suggest that it could be used for end-of-function error handlers and for multi-level breaks from loops.' So my impression is still that you generalize your opinion, this time about goto, and imply other people have the same opinion.