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On 10/05/2015 10:46 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
> On my poll the actual users who really voted made scripting win. If you
> look at the list traffic this summer, you will see that a considerable
> amount of text was pro or contra guile/scheme in gschem.
> 
> The _real_ user base also installs binaries from their distro's
> repository. They are also not subscribed to this list or if they are,
> they almost never speak up. They don't care about forks, branches, they
> install whatever their distro has.
> 
> On this list we have mostly power users who has already forked or have
> their own branch in git, or stuck with a specific past vesion of the
> official stuff or using the head version. They happily comment ideas and
> mails after reading only 1/3 of the text.
> 
> If anyone does anything new in a fork or branch or whervere that doesn't
> end up instanty in the head or in distros, there will be no more than 2
> people on the list who actually download, compile, try and _then_
> comment the stuff. If you disagree, prove me wrong by prividing a list
> of links to the recent list archives.
> 
> What geda, pcb, pcb-rnd, xorn, and other related projects don't have is
> a small, but active user base who are willing to try experimental code
> and provide feedback according to the actual tests, not according to
> reading mails.
> 
> Considering these, the best we can do is to ask the list as I did and
> then believe the results, whatever they are. What you do, telling us
> what the user base don't care about, is mere speculation - you don't
> have more access to the real opinion of the actual user base than any of
> us. You can share your own opinion and assume the user base has the same
> opinion. This is not better than a poll in any way.

  Well, considering the fact that I use gEDA and PCB nearly every day,
*I* am the user base.  And to watch the traffic around here, I'm the
only guy busy actually USING this stuff!

  This project has gyrated into inaction, and this recent ****storm of
traffic hasn't improved anything.  There have been childish turf wars,
YET MORE forks, whining babies who can't seem to wrap their little
brains around what has to be one of the simplest programming languages
ever developed, and whining grownups who insist that nothing should ever
change, for any reason, until the end of time.  And yet more
inexplicable blather about Windows support!

  SO yes, I'll speculate, I'll be a user, and I'll give you feedback AS
a user.  But you've just proven that you're not interested in that
feedback, surprisingly enough.  So I guess I'll just sit back and watch
as people argue and create forks.

                 -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA