X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s2048; t=1443985977; bh=aL0/xC4N9mhE7T6a+k6wY2kTtJWnKJrzaR+DrFxijR4=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:References:To:From:Subject; b=n3YATbhL8lQzlNIO2NVIRFKlSD9tQZvFHiPBMNdsTHDpM1gzl8opNwSi79pIAO9qOWGUX2NpjmGOnuKevj5zOOxh1xrpAWdPiTqBkKWNTwxhC9beW3x7AWvFs48P163oYmosOshupUrTtmRNk5qh6HAGNyHDMBlUrBDa5rtQ943g22SlSAtKmRHaJcJgoJAcEtkWyQbtUa+o2NB3rrhTD2ZIxV+alEMEcNBxLW5ODQVlBWGQrq9OCEdva57P4BrABi6CDj5z3Dgi6lsm/16kz5ATfv6AD+UlOtaIUZ6FAZHx1vsxCnWPk6n3f1ynDFll2LJ8QZO//nWKXUV9Qz8MGw== X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 709840 DOT 66221 DOT bm AT smtp214 DOT mail DOT gq1 DOT yahoo DOT com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: U8wzIgkVM1kWaV5NCxryWNe_HX5FqUq7VH_k0DgN.wuktL_ 5_YaCPatEo3jmNCTEOxRhEMMp4iRZJsKAZpdi3umu78anqnyHow4mbO0mGJG RxnsonUDBBCqtkOSutiDb96xBwqjXwifTj5QELjCXDAY4Pi63NKxqC2kmEvu 2symIu.VARrQHcLwzqEdWmlk4GqweebIIe9bjt5lDcCU2TQuGvwzxYctfiWB ke0Lx2rIqZdD0c4uiPh.CnEAm95TTewo9tMswM0P4o0SFW.nnsoHzuBz1ge6 QHc3Lg7L8228Y2XziVKOXBRdlVPHe9Uptcd7Va3fxI8rY1r7pa3dII80TwbF 1e7lVTciZrPowcwjn.OeuqYiAYtruqveiZVGu0IHFc1qs1wr3vtuxp0WW4Sj 9dzmqMYIJF4PsSEWGcBd58ANBJT.nweqLGL7rjunHmGksrmELWenpAdWrc.S DwpdPYGURCh4WVu96ov3sXe5IAQJqBdycnIx9Gta9U7tgIEeRlhghhfL9Ild nTifetGLoUgc3jnOBnPWPatkCTLQTaoB9X5yJJ4EMhvzfmbTbA6jg X-Yahoo-SMTP: b8jVkbOswBAqZ4BhECp7nxPJUfTGEnEGv_G4qgQeZMeAbA-- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] GTK Version (was Stop playing stupid political games with gEDA) From: "Edward Hennessy (ehennes AT sbcglobal DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 12:12:55 -0700 Message-Id: <799A6350-94C6-495F-B3CF-3C3ECC5EB851@sbcglobal.net> References: <560D81CE DOT 1010800 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201510012211 DOT t91MBXPI025587 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <560DB972 DOT 30203 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201510012306 DOT t91N6MXc027775 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <560DCC35 DOT 9010505 AT jump-ing DOT de> <201510020041 DOT t920fM6o031268 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <560DE183 DOT 4060305 AT jump-ing DOT de> <5BF9C4DF-32C7-4C06-9F96-8F82C935254E AT sbcglobal DOT net> <560EAEE1 DOT 6020701 AT jump-ing DOT de> <3E72AC35-5862-41B9-A8FD-6804E89E9FFB AT sbcglobal DOT net> <20151003210144 DOT GA21262 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <5F085D89-7569-4F33-89AB-F6A2EFE1DDBF AT sbcglobal DOT net> <201510040040 DOT t940eGUu004811 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> To: "geda-user AT delorie DOT com" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id t94JD2kl021969 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > On Oct 3, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > I won't fight anyone who writes GTK3 code. I am just saying there is > some validity to waiting out the mess that is the current environment > around GTK3. GTK4 will be a larger architectural change and I think it > might be sooner rather than later. Yes. And even the following direction would provide developers enough to move forward: 1. follow the GTK+ toolkit for the foreseeable future. 2. don’t move past GTK+2 version 2.24, until (date, or event, etc…) With this developers can: 1. start removing APIs that are obsolete that are never coming back. 2. prepare the code for migration to GTK+3 or beyond. 3. favor use of glib APIs over alternatives. Developers absolutely need a roadmap to move forward. But, since GTK+3/Gnome3 isn’t what everybody wants, we still lack a roadmap. Geda-gaf relies heavily on GTK+/glib, so migration to another toolkit would require significant effort and many developers. I don’t see other toolkits as realistic options. Ed