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On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 4:36 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

>
> > ... I learned that there are no less than three special modes for
> > ignoring text, hiding text and/or ignoring anything but text exist. The
> > bug is a crashing one, hitting Undo takes the whole application with it,
> > data lost.
>
> If Undo crashed, Undo is broken and needs to be fixed.
>
> The "ignore text" flag was added because a lot of users were trying to
> move elements and ended up moving their labels instead.  The "only
> text" option is for the case where they're organizing the labels at
> the end of layout and don't want to accidentally move anything else.
>

Oh that does sound conveninet, I'll have to try it.


>
> It was a commonly asked for feature, and well received at the time.
>
> > 1. Add a lot more special case search code to check not only for mode
> > flags like ONLYNAMESFLAG, but also under which conditions this search
> > happens. This easily makes one special case for every other case. 3
> > names modes x 12 drawing modes = 36 cases.
>
> Our search has much more complexity than that.  Handling locked
> vs unlocked and tool-specific things makes it all very complex.
>
> > 2. Disable modes like track drawing mode while in names only
> > mode. This would be the advertised behaviour. Also a lot of code and
> > on top of this, unexpected user behaviour ("I can't draw tracks
> > anymore and I don't know why").
>
> I like this idea; perhaps a tool tip over the disabled tool buttons
> that says 'disabled due to the "only text" option' or something.
>

I'd probably not notice it due to mental tooltip filters.  Perhaps a popup
when
user tries to go into line (etc.) mode or enables these modes while in
line etc. mode

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 4:36 PM, DJ Delorie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:dj AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">dj AT delorie DOT com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
&gt; ... I learned that there are no less than three special modes for<br>
&gt; ignoring text, hiding text and/or ignoring anything but text exist. Th=
e<br>
&gt; bug is a crashing one, hitting Undo takes the whole application with i=
t,<br>
&gt; data lost.<br>
<br>
If Undo crashed, Undo is broken and needs to be fixed.<br>
<br>
The &quot;ignore text&quot; flag was added because a lot of users were tryi=
ng to<br>
move elements and ended up moving their labels instead.=C2=A0 The &quot;onl=
y<br>
text&quot; option is for the case where they&#39;re organizing the labels a=
t<br>
the end of layout and don&#39;t want to accidentally move anything else.<br=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">Oh that does sound conveninet,=
 I&#39;ll have to try it.</div><div style=3D"">=C2=A0</div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<br>
It was a commonly asked for feature, and well received at the time.<br>
<br>
&gt; 1. Add a lot more special case search code to check not only for mode<=
br>
&gt; flags like ONLYNAMESFLAG, but also under which conditions this search<=
br>
&gt; happens. This easily makes one special case for every other case. 3<br=
>
&gt; names modes x 12 drawing modes =3D 36 cases.<br>
<br>
Our search has much more complexity than that.=C2=A0 Handling locked<br>
vs unlocked and tool-specific things makes it all very complex.<br>
<br>
&gt; 2. Disable modes like track drawing mode while in names only<br>
&gt; mode. This would be the advertised behaviour. Also a lot of code and<b=
r>
&gt; on top of this, unexpected user behaviour (&quot;I can&#39;t draw trac=
ks<br>
&gt; anymore and I don&#39;t know why&quot;).<br>
<br>
I like this idea; perhaps a tool tip over the disabled tool buttons<br>
that says &#39;disabled due to the &quot;only text&quot; option&#39; or som=
ething.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style=3D"">I&#39;d probably not=
 notice it due to mental tooltip filters.=C2=A0 Perhaps a popup when</div><=
div style=3D"">user tries to go into line (etc.) mode or enables these mode=
s while in</div><div style=3D"">line etc. mode=C2=A0</div><div style=3D""><=
br></div></div></div></div>

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