X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 63.119.35.194 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] netlisting libraries From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:59:41 -0400 Message-Id: References: <20150824223846 DOT 0ba61ba7 AT jive DOT levalinux DOT org> <55DBA2B7 DOT 1080501 AT ecosensory DOT com> <55DC31E0 DOT 9050606 AT jump-ing DOT de> <20150825215611 DOT 1794b153c4160dddb739b6d3 AT gmail DOT com> <55DDCF2E DOT 6070505 AT ecosensory DOT com> <6CBA9A3C-526A-4364-9E70-83A910349E14 AT noqsi DOT com> <98C29CD9-40F4-4053-92C1-534531CD745F AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id t7QJxmjc001963 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Aug 26, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:21 PM, John Doty wrote: >> >> On Aug 26, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Roland Lutz wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, John Doty wrote: >>>> The overloading of pinseq is really the only one I’ve found troublesome, so gnet-spice-noqsi gives you other ways to handle slotted devices. >>> >>> I've never understood the motivation for the SPICE netlist backends to use pinseq= at all. Is this just a hack to get the unslotted pinnumber? Or is there some other mechanism involved? >> >> I believe it’s copied from the Viewlogic architecture. It never worked right there, either. > > I thought you use pinseq refer to spice models and pinnumber refers to > pins on a part as packaged. Yes, but the problem is that we also use pinseq to define pin mapping for slotting. The package presented to the gnetlist back end for a slotted component has more than one pin with the same pinseq. Which is which? And hidden pins have *no* pinseq. So, for slotted components I usually use pin numbers in spice-prototype attributes. > The part that is screwy is how we pretend > that symbols are light (package & footprint agnostic) when changing > their footprint changes their pin numbers. DJ’s database idea has grown on me over the years. Draw light source schematics, forward-annotate reference designators, footprints, pin assignments, part numbers, etc. for the as-built drawings. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com