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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:10:41 -0400
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On 06/30/2015 12:51 PM, John Doty wrote:
>> This is getting very old, John.
>> 
>> If you don't like PCB, don't use it.
> 
> I don’t.

  We'd never have guessed.

>> If you don't like PCB but want to use it, do something to "fix" 
>> it.
> 
> I don’t want to fix it. I just want it kept separate from geda-gaf.

  It IS separate.  Don't type "pcb" at a shell prompt and you'll never
see it again.

> One should not design a space age transportation system around the 
> needs of oxcarts.

  Ok, that's enough.  Your obvious implication is "I am a BIG DEAL,
kids, I design stuff for the SPACE PROGRAM, and all you other people are
just hobbyist morons who could never understand the awesomeness that I
design with my godlike abilities!"

  I'm sorry, but you're wrong.  In my case, I am an electronics
hobbyist, but I've also been a commercial designer for about 25 years.
I'm betting I'm not the only professional designer here.

  And yes, I also have hardware in orbit.

>> Do something constructive.
> 
> You mean like https://github.com/noqsi/gnet-spice-noqsi? Or the
> other two gnetlist back ends I posted to the list yesterday? Or the
> stuff on my gedasymbols page? I also have improved Allegro and PADS
> back ends that I hope to get around to publishing soon.

  [eye roll]

  How about something actually USEFUL?  And how about something for PCB,
since you're convinced it needs so much help?

>> Don't just sit there and spout off with your obvious hatred for 
>> PCB.
> 
> Don’t just sit there and defend a broken program. Where are your 
> contributions?

  My contributions are in the source code.  I've worked quite a bit with
Peter Clifton on tracking down some bugs.  Those were private
conversations to which you were not privy, so your assumptions of the
nonexistence of my contributions are every bit as wrong as your
assumptions of your own credibility in this community.

  In the meantime, I'm sitting here using a "broken program" to design
stuff that both I and my customers want.  Close to a hundred boards laid
out over the past ten years with PCB, a few of which have deployed in
the many thousands of units.  And they're not toys.

  And you know what?  It works great here.  Maybe you're just not that
good with these new-fangled computery things.

  So, Mr. Space Engineer, don't you have any work to do, or do you just
want to keep hanging out here with us kids while we play with our toys
and blink our LEDs with our Arduinos?

  Have a great day!

                -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA