X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oDpQLtUNIUwfNdx1JYHAPeA7aHAr8Ccu9i/qSTx9eDE=; b=zRlZwCqwsV4z7tcB74sUmLmQ6tMgSSBWqob65+P/e6/tSLqhLkgAGmPNu3ckehCU4j qqHCoDwLeI2up5Km0otIOXJboa4w+QHjbMSAahHUsRe47l+/YJvonjDeoiEq+ZYl24gv E60C+1fyy5gtjPXhtn2ktuiuf0vZ0kwXyH8JFA+r1NgANWbKuUIYkIhuZGPyT10TtQXm ps3GNCUq1cHSagOy51uK9/82zD3usODFYt8ElvG8UzrfhiHxR72MjElWcYqWLHhVgmZ9 zbt5oT5qheoZj0kztGWsrish6aFeTDho/Kn/76vpggyeIH3o6GgR7NgGhKhDriEmc+D+ xNEw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.146.104 with SMTP id tb8mr959161obb.54.1385815118975; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:38:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1385484114 DOT 2036 DOT 8 DOT camel AT AMD64X2 DOT fritz DOT box> <1385488834 DOT 2036 DOT 23 DOT camel AT AMD64X2 DOT fritz DOT box> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:38:38 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Announcing QCamber: a PCB viewer alternative From: =?KOI8-R?B?4czFy9PFyiDowdLYy8/X08vJyg==?= To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04451a39e416f904ec6439f3 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --f46d04451a39e416f904ec6439f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 May be better case is improving existed PCB programs instead writing +1? Gtk forewer :) 2013/11/26 Wei-Ning Huang > Hi Stefan, > > I like GTK on my desktop too, but considering the portability between > different platforms, I think Qt has far better support for windows then > GTK. Although it is possible to cross compile gtk applications on windows, > there are A LOT of bugs. I actually did it once when I tried to compile > another project of mine(Gummi LaTeX Editor) to Windows, its just ...bah. > I'll definitely checkout your pcb routing application. I already see that > it's written in GTK3 :P > Also about the Geber support: It's already in my roadmap, and I think it > would be quite easy considering gerber's format is much simpler than ODB++. > I'll start implement it if I have time. > > Best, > Wei-Ning > > > 2013/11/27 Stefan Salewski > >> On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 01:19 +0800, Wei-Ning Huang wrote: >> > Hi Stefan, >> > >> > Yes, it is written in C++ and with QGraphicsView. I did some hack to >> > workaround QGraphcisView's bugs and it's low efficiency... >> >> That is interesting. I myself, and most gEDA people, are using GTK. But >> I know that today many people enjoy Qt more -- the reason is not always >> clear. For GTK we have something similar like QGraphicsView -- Clutter. >> I have considered using one of them, but was not really convinced, I >> found no great example projects. So for my experimental schematics tool >> (http://www.ssalewski.de/PetEd.html.en) I used plain cairo drawing. I >> will investigate your program when I have some more free time -- >> currently I am still very busy -- one of my current open source projects >> is my PCB router (http://www.ssalewski.de/Router.html.en), which works >> not bad so far, so I really should finish it... >> >> > You can look at this >> > thread< >> http://www.odb-sa.com/community/topic/how-can-i-get-hold-of-the-odb-format-specification/ >> >on >> > how to get ODB++ specifications, and for the IPC2851 format you can >> > get >> > the specification on their >> > website. >> > I think both format are well supported in China fabs. ODB++ is an old >> > format so think most of the fab support it. >> > >> Thanks for the links. I think here in Germany most fab houses still only >> use gerber files -- at least that was the case four years ago. Maybe it >> already changed. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stefan Salewski >> >> >> > > > -- > Embedded System and Wireless Networking Lab, > Department of Computer Science and Information Engineering, > National Taiwan University > > Cell: +886 910 380 678 > Personal Website: http://azhuang.me > --f46d04451a39e416f904ec6439f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
May be better case is improving existed PCB programs = instead writing +1?
Gtk forewer :)



2013/11/26 Wei-Ning = Huang <aitjcize AT gmail DOT com>
Hi Stefan,

I like GTK on my desktop too, but considering the portability between di= fferent platforms, I think Qt has far better support for windows then GTK. = Although it is possible to cross compile gtk applications on windows, there= are A LOT of bugs. I actually did it once when I tried to compile another = project of mine(Gummi LaTeX Editor) to Windows, its just ...bah. I'll d= efinitely checkout your pcb routing application. I already see that it'= s written in GTK3 :P
Also about the Geber support: It's already in my roadmap, and I th= ink it would be quite easy considering gerber's format is much simpler = than ODB++. I'll start implement it if I have time.

Best,
Wei-Ning


2013/11/27 Stefan Salewski <m= ail AT ssalewski DOT de>
On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 01:19 +0800, Wei-= Ning Huang wrote:
> Hi Stefan,
>
> Yes, it is written in C++ and with QGraphicsView. I did some hack to > workaround QGraphcisView's bugs and it's low efficiency...

That is interesting. I myself, and most gEDA people, are using GTK. B= ut
I know that today many people enjoy Qt more -- the reason is not always
clear. For GTK we have something similar like QGraphicsView -- Clutter.
I have considered using one of them, but was not really convinced, I
found no great example projects. So for my experimental schematics tool
(http:/= /www.ssalewski.de/PetEd.html.en) I used plain cairo drawing. I
will investigate your program when I have some more free time --
currently I am still very busy -- one of my current open source projects is my PCB router (http://www.ssalewski.de/Router.html.en), which works
not bad so far, so I really should finish it...

> You can look at this
> thread<http://ww= w.odb-sa.com/community/topic/how-can-i-get-hold-of-the-odb-format-specifica= tion/>on
> how to get ODB++ specifications, and for the IPC2851 format you c= an
> get
> the specification on their
> website<http://www.ipc-2581.com/index.php/ipc-25= 81-standard-files>.
> I think both format are well supported in China fabs. ODB++ is an= old
> format so think most of the fab support it.
>
Thanks for the links. I think here in Germany most fab houses still o= nly
use gerber files -- at least that was the case four years ago. Maybe it
already changed.

Best regards,

Stefan Salewski





--
Embedded System and Wireless Networking Lab,
Department of Computer Science and Information Engineering,
= National Taiwan University

Cell: +886 910 380 = 678
Personal Website: http://azhuang.me

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