X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=OFi/l5cNvFzJP6r7PUxevkfxtvARZHVx8/oks3Dap7w=; b=ts82cLsDUxf86i54xfRWKIQ/TZHfNNdvZsypI/+FRw5ON3cyZx5eXhIea8dEyKlMp2 cR8cxt+deJwHTEapZO1lDTJXPhXhVbtk6hKXFl76cHfztH4LOGLOzCae98/xYaEDy3lz 4Ai4oTr8aEqiQ/Q7nu6xuJpZEhrU5BuoS3qfE5lUyiw3kFiNAAbrWnUUR7J0nYPklHYG +fd75TPaFcOQVTxZ690yGB4XzELpPjwVeZvU3tkzrXl8YGcHBPjGy8Jla1OmlSpKUbsD AQm/I/v5zJxI0GukTam3S9Mtj+7sDu8m1P5w1in7OYjNTi6XIHQK20Wyv1fkeFUq0bCy gEQQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.163.69 with SMTP id yg5mr5960727lab.33.1385489794089; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:16:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1385488834.2036.23.camel@AMD64X2.fritz.box> References: <1385484114 DOT 2036 DOT 8 DOT camel AT AMD64X2 DOT fritz DOT box> <1385488834 DOT 2036 DOT 23 DOT camel AT AMD64X2 DOT fritz DOT box> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 02:16:34 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Announcing QCamber: a PCB viewer alternative From: Wei-Ning Huang To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11336d900446e204ec187bab Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --001a11336d900446e204ec187bab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Stefan, I like GTK on my desktop too, but considering the portability between different platforms, I think Qt has far better support for windows then GTK. Although it is possible to cross compile gtk applications on windows, there are A LOT of bugs. I actually did it once when I tried to compile another project of mine(Gummi LaTeX Editor) to Windows, its just ...bah. I'll definitely checkout your pcb routing application. I already see that it's written in GTK3 :P Also about the Geber support: It's already in my roadmap, and I think it would be quite easy considering gerber's format is much simpler than ODB++. I'll start implement it if I have time. Best, Wei-Ning 2013/11/27 Stefan Salewski > On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 01:19 +0800, Wei-Ning Huang wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > > > Yes, it is written in C++ and with QGraphicsView. I did some hack to > > workaround QGraphcisView's bugs and it's low efficiency... > > That is interesting. I myself, and most gEDA people, are using GTK. But > I know that today many people enjoy Qt more -- the reason is not always > clear. For GTK we have something similar like QGraphicsView -- Clutter. > I have considered using one of them, but was not really convinced, I > found no great example projects. So for my experimental schematics tool > (http://www.ssalewski.de/PetEd.html.en) I used plain cairo drawing. I > will investigate your program when I have some more free time -- > currently I am still very busy -- one of my current open source projects > is my PCB router (http://www.ssalewski.de/Router.html.en), which works > not bad so far, so I really should finish it... > > > You can look at this > > thread< > http://www.odb-sa.com/community/topic/how-can-i-get-hold-of-the-odb-format-specification/ > >on > > how to get ODB++ specifications, and for the IPC2851 format you can > > get > > the specification on their > > website. > > I think both format are well supported in China fabs. ODB++ is an old > > format so think most of the fab support it. > > > Thanks for the links. I think here in Germany most fab houses still only > use gerber files -- at least that was the case four years ago. Maybe it > already changed. > > Best regards, > > Stefan Salewski > > > -- Embedded System and Wireless Networking Lab, Department of Computer Science and Information Engineering, National Taiwan University Cell: +886 910 380 678 Personal Website: http://azhuang.me --001a11336d900446e204ec187bab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stefan,

I like GTK on my desktop too= , but considering the portability between different platforms, I think Qt h= as far better support for windows then GTK. Although it is possible to cros= s compile gtk applications on windows, there are A LOT of bugs. I actually = did it once when I tried to compile another project of mine(Gummi LaTeX Edi= tor) to Windows, its just ...bah. I'll definitely checkout your pcb rou= ting application. I already see that it's written in GTK3 :P
Also about the Geber support: It's already in my roadmap, and I th= ink it would be quite easy considering gerber's format is much simpler = than ODB++. I'll start implement it if I have time.

Best,
Wei-Ning


2013/11/27 Stefan Salewski <mail AT ssalewski DOT de>= ;
On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 01:1= 9 +0800, Wei-Ning Huang wrote:
> Hi Stefan,
>
> Yes, it is written in C++ and with QGraphicsView. I did some hack to > workaround QGraphcisView's bugs and it's low efficiency...

That is interesting. I myself, and most gEDA people, are using GTK. B= ut
I know that today many people enjoy Qt more -- the reason is not always
clear. For GTK we have something similar like QGraphicsView -- Clutter.
I have considered using one of them, but was not really convinced, I
found no great example projects. So for my experimental schematics tool
(http:/= /www.ssalewski.de/PetEd.html.en) I used plain cairo drawing. I
will investigate your program when I have some more free time --
currently I am still very busy -- one of my current open source projects is my PCB router (http://www.ssalewski.de/Router.html.en), which works
not bad so far, so I really should finish it...

> You can look at this
> thread<http://ww= w.odb-sa.com/community/topic/how-can-i-get-hold-of-the-odb-format-specifica= tion/>on
> how to get ODB++ specifications, and for the IPC2851= format you can
> get
> the specification on their
> website<http://www.ipc-2581.com/index.php/ipc-25= 81-standard-files>.
> I think both format are well supported in China fabs= . ODB++ is an old
> format so think most of the fab support it.
>
Thanks for the links. I think here in Germany most fab houses still o= nly
use gerber files -- at least that was the case four years ago. Maybe it
already changed.

Best regards,

Stefan Salewski





--
Embedded System and W= ireless Networking Lab,
Department of Computer Science and Information Engineering,
= National Taiwan University

Cell: +886 910 380 = 678
Personal Website: http://azhuang.me
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