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On 12/03/2011 10:29 AM, Bob Paddock wrote:
>> 3. The chips work well with OpenOCD and GNU tools.
>
> The AVR family had good GCC support in WinAVR until Atmel took it internal.

   Please forgive me for jumping in, but I was just handed 
responsibility for a biggish project at work that is AVR-based.  I'm 
primarily an ARM and mcs51 guy, and this was my first exposure to AVR. 
So far so good; I'm enjoying it.

   About the GCC support having been good in the past...I build all of 
my own GCC cross compilation toolchains, because most of the pre-built 
ones I've found out there have disappointed me at one time or another. 
I'm currently at 4.4.6.  The AVR support in that release seems to be 
just fine.  Is there some point in a later release where things are 
suboptimal?

>> I'm too busy to waste time with Windows.
>
> Most everyone doing real work, except management and IT at companies
> would agree with your Windows assessment.
> Most of us don't use Windows by choice but by edict from on-high.
> (Resume anyone?)

   Heh.  I'd quit. ;)  In fact, I have in the past, for that very 
reason!  Not only for the obvious reason, but a shift toward Windows 
within a supposedly-technical shop usually indicates much suitly badness 
on the horizon.

> Most of the documentation starts in Russian for AVR's, and in the past
> French for the ARM's, I don't know who is doing it since Atmel France
> closed.  The poor translation to English shows frequently.

   Ah-HA!  That explains a lot!

             -Dave

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Dave McGuire
New Kensington, PA