X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pr3oXVlIjWPQt6JPlDN7R89L+CNCdbNR2LD+C7v9zYI=; b=nOVbe0KUIVr9XkVkH+Fc0w5geBPNQz8jUn18YQJapZ00UN4HA3Ogh85FZcr4kQC+Vs yGB8d5lk0ynABsaphlAi+YPJC+60jfaCb22SunEPCuO+Kot7sdTYUPRyZcf1WpeXtEv6 C7t2vXgPyDrpV4Wn/APS00A7RGbddDSRZyyBwvBv3J7M29x7phlh+qFCJzKqtWbw6oHK IfcQuFy3DsVShYH/lf39/p3XGj5aMdizySplVxJCc29CUIxBwCBOrcAFkRMq5AcLqW9P ISuOwgkrc0qPvTZLRkylgivqg5vAlW2eCRFLMHc69NmrHpSaGbDh8nydZ7kEWwxZleq7 lu9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pr3oXVlIjWPQt6JPlDN7R89L+CNCdbNR2LD+C7v9zYI=; b=RO90U8Yw/RqG2MjoMX/rw+u7lOChDvWhWdi6jq6G9cxuLMb8VLunuu0BQb+rVY+zTS SNC1/qFsWTH3TkI1lPw91ygKrg2yJwFx2dzEUqYXECMv+HtrOsDEP6wQHLSu1t58dGhN V8v7W0GxxNjBZymYW2JgWIZhTrjhEqrPvUG2gmqaYGi+Ka+Q98NGtGwLZJEPJbzn5c0y ZfVw7Yjj+myKOPpeUbg+gBJpEJeVcNwuoii8JUiIG1IOS7bbbT3LSTrqto3KD0g6hi5b 09tUgdCVMjNLV3c11rp6dpwiC2kdCTaww2d1UyGR2/xr247t+tLgvPTOLdXr/vhgcYaW 8xXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gIvwxKGWGgiM3rCuezoLlS8TGR+tF55LMTMVHBYY3OcWJDZ68sl AIQ1AS2KW8eYOIcah/ULjscmYCZK8nptP7Reum8CNCZt X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fGVUP8/wF6lgmnJrRE+myY7KteIaLGM+l9bfdFcnp3bOPYX+GyS++XpcGWFeE83KtKin1QBuKy7SuyR1GxbOg= X-Received: by 2002:aca:5058:: with SMTP id e85mr15411559oib.111.1543269977173; Mon, 26 Nov 2018 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7c1717bb-1b7d-360f-d06a-71ee6983eea1@linetec.nl> References: <7c1717bb-1b7d-360f-d06a-71ee6983eea1 AT linetec DOT nl> From: "Luis de Arquer (ldearquer AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 23:06:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] [off-topic] 24V automotive (truck) design issues To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id wAQM6IWf023251 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Hi Richard, There are quite a few spikes that can damage electronics on the truck. You can find most of them on ISO 7637 (second part has the pulses definition). The worst I can remember for car is -150V for 2ms approx, surely more on trucks. Positive pulses of over 100V happen often when parallel inductive loads are disconnected (such as windows, etc), but this are normally under 100us. Load dump is fairly unusual though, since that requires the battery to be removed from the truck while alternator is running. Its strength depends on whether the truck has load dump supressor or not (cars now normally have it, but I don't know trucks...). With load suppresor, you may see about 58V for up to 300-400ms. It is currently defined in ISO 16750-2 (2012 or later). This may help: - Try to get the boards that failed for analysis. Did the TVS fail? - Revise all input capacitors voltage ratings - It can help having a high voltage series diode at the input such as BAV21W, followed by a tanky 220uF or higher capacitor: This should get rid of most pulses, except load dump. - For load dump, you really need to know if there is a supressor or not. The difference is huge. Best regards, Luis 2018-11-26 18:40 GMT+01:00, Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] : > Hi John, > > Op 26-11-18 om 17:56 schreef John Doty: >> Lots of info out there, google "load dump protection”. > > Ah, great, thanks! I never heard of this phrase before (hey, that's why > I asked here) -- this really helps! > > Right away, I see that quite a bit of extra protection is in order -- > but it was a prototype anyway. > > Thanks again, > > Best regards, > > Richard Rasker > > > >