X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HR0OxHpJTKozCBQNUJAROwTAqAqHN5U7rA3VXAkVT2E=; b=N5pYnjRQ6L6iHIueveRyiFO66eQQ6USILI6m3XSw1kMFlFNnOrV+o+PaoO6GVxFMYk e1W0H/hHTM1RFN3WTIHKmW66+EiKBegPsk1+Cpb3Gw99zadQJ2LyHxE40513nHrp3Tsp 3/kOlfd7mKR/yjRvRfOkQKXdqjHHBOT8Zn4RNzi/BAEIRaZlaUmiiPf8w2uFEQbaafoh xVxHedeML27M8Vs2vV42buKEmB3DE2wDXT6jGriAcWdhyFuRpDn9K3snN1K1l+nZX7cz 7iIS4EulNPv3uGEisPKOmwhoy4r5WEcxNOk0PBvRHEQqz+YnLsnCmIPs1XtKw9j6NNrN my6g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HR0OxHpJTKozCBQNUJAROwTAqAqHN5U7rA3VXAkVT2E=; b=B49ZmkipyGeXI7rqKxUY1FpbRJPqCkWnHLzbhDx/7zEhXN2tTFHCb4F0oUGLow9qC4 M7eaShibB3n4VCt1zdUMs/kCKwcDM6gmmU0sWsy41zRYN3Vyr4F1zhIe/P7pJXqzsVU0 hQ9oxkn61NsxymtH+NtbUxWCtyXo4ybresr7xnnbni2+hEwf2nlLrFoimt3/aTtR45CO z7l4YClvEhM+H2X1R33hufYXzat0mHlw7LhnnXyeVldLhrXN1NAlekkdUHoKDsBrd8wH 57Pw4WrCpPCxQvWc0yH/YAL58vhiVhfzgxU6wc4NktvvYjapxoa0ESMJUslh8/04IvEA SOgw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YORvCp2iLYmFUq7wHEef98a1GGjGTGLrdtC6hXcwZ8g8khLHz9qVpcqouoA1/Zn8JQ== X-Received: by 10.194.203.99 with SMTP id kp3mr31018214wjc.3.1453925282832; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:08:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:07:57 +0100 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] The nature of gEDA users +1 Message-Id: <20160127210757.42c83ebede3af77c79d71b0f@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <56A751EC DOT 8030402 AT iae DOT nl> <20160126124701 DOT 0d061912c7e078ced9d4e6cb AT gmail DOT com> <201601261804 DOT u0QI4KEQ009550 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > >> The Via is a container with Attribute "Via". An Element is a container > >> with Attibute "Element". The GUI HID shall present those as special > >> types to the user, in component libraries and via stack editors. But in > >> the data structures those could well the the same as a hierachical > >> sublayout. > > > > Sounds reasonable, although also like a lot of implementation work. > > The aim should be to change PCB in small incremental steps. > > - Remove the assumption that all layers except "outline" are conductive. > - Make implicit layers explicit and allow to draw on them, soldermask, solderpaste. > - Allow more/all things inside Elements, on explicit layers. > - Use a mapping from Library layer names to Layout layer names. > - Allow to draw negative objects. Add drawing depth to the objects. > - Represent the implicit objects explicitly, clearances, soldermask, solderpaste. > - Make Vias more like Elements. > > First change the data structures, and update the tools do exactly what > they did before, then think about which new possibilities to present to > the GUI user, and how. > > - Add a via stack editor. > - Add grouping of layout objects. Sounds really great! Nicklas Karlsson