X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <56A00BE0.1030504@iee.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 22:36:16 +0000 From: "M. J. Everitt (m DOT j DOT everitt AT iee DOT org) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] cleaner version of fixes to file format plugin References: <569BCA7F DOT 70903 AT prochac DOT sk> <569BCC77 DOT 60700 AT iee DOT org> <201601172146 DOT u0HLkPnT008691 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201601191958 DOT u0JJwWro024659 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <201601200200 DOT u0K20RDb012759 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <569EEF3D DOT 4080307 AT iee DOT org> <201601202141 DOT u0KLf7RJ000985 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> In-Reply-To: <201601202141.u0KLf7RJ000985@envy.delorie.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:tEgnd1xAg1b7AKy7/Y/hDy2TFvrhhUEAn4d/evoDeH6/mRXkPTW G1XwRehTY8K7srma88OP7CNbxAegfTn6hmiQhgvcsW/ZUaDDjdqQ4L33i27DpajeXgUavi0 nAWA+q6ZUHZKcte03iGCYMizIJXAvyXXt6pmJSDB19HlGpfukLj0ZAiEpdMu9UaL4oL+ua5 fvOpHHk44qbl1qFpRWIGA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:MVgC8qdXNnw=:HN/cwIry0C3XDI3JAb+gCq fINf6vKQSCEzOLKycSFPaHoFdDJHBvg7QkJnOAQ5MjysiN+hzjj76wi0GkbX2Xh5IALygC6mM CxgrbF7g7vkDspYG3RXVjM77m+ZRxJ1jV6wnsG2A1OehnAZnMJj6hBBcpsZRo3oSjCo6ttlJj 4aGw/CnLi+NEckvhb75rhPTELBXDMlIY3MQTv0MVkD6XRgPiMggYsUFHOrX8TCJdw4n56C1aG s26DMiMgQrQuG2W/4FswJIn4cx2LOrItYOTKXaLqd73HCmbT+xXv6qG0HW1EJM5Tn1uGHkhyZ eVt7A6GsrcLKoG1FHTjmjVqBFCwlM9//ecyhlwyD0jBOtGTOTmkl4kYkolDYOSefPE+rKngSC ugX8laO/u1icdy8XFrohUAxLdyOETxCom4k/ERRgdSwb+egnCwg8Y2rji+MIrWd8nQRkpRib7 gXr8bgmqWfwKQP1J2EOwfzW/6Py9UIXicXsXq1IBVCDoH+AM5bzsvssWc5huQQa81EwJFrUW+ 0fUs8OBamIgiDF3G/RRnGYIiR8N3lRQbspz7YU974c4Dl52Z+01Ow54D8VF5uulvUOn2ikynz 0FdoQH+Xyvkq9THMH4UqvZIDOlcIsZZSmZ+mIr4LnS8yZ28EmEa9ymQtLXp0C5aPN0JoeoibV zQuB/A2T1eRZsC+hzo8F/uOkjA+wwoYAoHRUK8L4GVWp/ErVaWB3F3tL21Lyohwc/dmi6C1Xl 5EKZo1MlfcRXVbNS Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 20/01/16 21:41, DJ Delorie wrote: >> The people using stuff this ancient are unlikely to want to upgrade >> pcb anyway. As you've argued yourself in the past, for them to >> suffer all the old version would have to somehow magically >> disappear. I don't want to assume this is just a setup to make >> going C99 impossible, but you can probably see how it might look >> that way. > You're missing the point. You keep guessing what our user base should > be doing, and not asking our user base what they *are* doing. I've > listed the things we need to know and the steps we need to take before > we can make an informed decision that we haven't made, and you keep > trying to justify the change based on guesses and suppositions. > > So to reiterate in summary... > > 1. Find out what our user base *has*. This may include potential user > base (Windows, BSD). > > 2. Figure out what the side-effects of the change *will be* > > 3. *Decide* amongst ourselves to do it or not. Ok this is going to sound utterly ridiculous, but here goes .. Given the mailing list and IRC are very heavily skewed (in very orthogonal directions!) .. how about we put a Very short (like <5 question) survey before users download geda/pcb and we start to amass SOME kind of realistic data about who the users are, and very VERY roughly how they use geda. Possibly with a longer one on geda-project or something, I dunno. "We" really are pulling in all sorts of directions, and different devs have very different ideas about what a priority should be. Most are centered around some unique use-case or personal preference, which, whilst interesting, is very haphazard. Lets try and put some boundaries on some of this! Not to say that I don't see some really useful stuff going on too, just to mention!