X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-UW-Orig-Sender: fpm AT homer02 DOT u DOT washington DOT edu Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:52:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Frank Miles (fpm AT u DOT washington DOT edu) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Subject: Re: [geda-user] Re: off-board parts/wiring In-Reply-To: <20160108182822.3c4b5f2d183143b4a41680dd@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <8444F816-17CE-4A56-A982-4A60DEDA72B8 AT noqsi DOT com> <29B50AD8-DCD0-4048-B888-711C5D8E1E65 AT noqsi DOT com> <20160107175042 DOT 5e06aad2bf09818a8886d6f7 AT gmail DOT com> <20160108182822 DOT 3c4b5f2d183143b4a41680dd AT gmail DOT com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (LRH 1217 2009-02-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-PMX-Version: 6.2.1.2493963, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.1.11.184816 X-PMX-Server: mxout21.s.uw.edu X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report=' TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, SUPERLONG_LINE 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL 0, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_IN_SUBJECT 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __URI_NO_PATH 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0' Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 8 Jan 2016, Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>>>>> I can't use the >>>>>> recommended direct PCB gschem-schematic-import method due to some special >>>>>> schematic post-processing (mostly eliminating off-board parts/wiring, which I >>>>>> want to have on the schematic), >>>>> >>>>> I attach graphical=1 to those to tell gnetlist that they don?t go into the netlist. >>>> >>>> That may work for whole parts, but doesn't work when particular pins/nodes need >>>> to be separated from the board (thus the "/wiring"). >>>> >>>> -F >>> >>> If you make one schematic for each circuit board it will work. >>> >>> It is possible to make a symbol matching connector output and put it higher than the circuit board(s) in the hierarchy. If you add a "source=board.sch" attribute you could get down into the hierarchy but symbol is not electrically connected to connector so for example DRC will not work for the whole circuit. >> >> ... >> >> I have to wonder - what's so hard about getting pcb to understand >> a circuit from a netlist? > > Well you said if you make one schematic for each circuit board which suggest you try to make several circuit board from one schematic. Symbols without a footprint do not show up on the circuit board. Sorry, but that's not quite what I said. Most commonly my need is for a single circuit board. And as I said, I want these few connections to be on the same sheet as it is more readily comprehended by others. > Sometimes it is useful to draw a schematic connecting several circuit boards and if you add a source attribute with the filename of the schematic to the symbol you get hieratchical design. Thanks. I am quite familiar with hierarchical design in gschem, having used it on a variety of projects. Its current implementation is kinda unwieldly but (other than the problem with buses) useful. To repeat my previous question: what's so hard about getting pcb to understand a circuit from a netlist? This would allow a variety of custom "schematic alterations" that cannot happen if gPCB reads the schematic directly. Maybe there's an alternative - if a duplicate schematic can be made, and the duplicate schematic altered appropriately. This seems much more complicated than editing a netlist without some non-graphical tool for editing the schematic, so I'm not recommending this approach. -F