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On Dec 31, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via =
geda-user AT delorie DOT com] <geda-user AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:34 AM, John Doty <jpd AT noqsi DOT com> wrote:
>>=20
>> On Dec 30, 2015, at 12:17 AM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015, John Doty wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 11:22 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015, John Doty wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 10:29 PM, gedau AT igor2 DOT repo DOT hu wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> A common netlist/bom format with a canonical form (so =
equivalent netlists would be identical) would be a useful intermediate.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Could work. To me, the current patch format is much cleaner. I =
already have fully working code both in pcb-rnd and gschem. If you =
implement an alternative solution that is at least as capable, let me =
know.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I?m not saying get rid of your patch format. But you took a =
shortcut generally not available by having pcb make the patch directly.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> False. I did make a shortcut, but on a totally different level of =
abstraction.
>>>>=20
>>>> Only available to the geda-gaf->pcb flow.
>>>=20
>>> Nope, it's available in the pcb->geda-gaf flow. Not due to the =
format, not due to the shortcut. Only because I did't implement it for =
anything else.
>>>=20
>>> Please provide your reasoning why anything else couldn't emit a =
similar format!
>>=20
>> Not directly from a tool whose code you can=92t modify. Indirectly =
through through additional scripts, of course, which is my proposal.
>>=20
>> How would you implement this for Osmond PCB?
>=20
> I have no idea as I have no idea about Osmond. I assume some Osmond
> user will provide documentation on the Osmond output format that will
> enable a plugin or translation utility to be created. Simply because
> Osmond is not supported does not mean we don't implement this. It just
> means Osmond users won't in the short term be able to use a feature.
> Their already existing flow will still work and I don't see a problem
> with that.

I guess I wasn=92t clear. There is common infrastructure for creating =
the patch file that Igor has hard-wired into his pcb. An Osmond flow =
cannot use this. On the other hand, if that common part was a separate =
tool using a canonical netlist format, every flow involving a layout =
program that can export an as-built netlist could use it. All you=92d =
need is a translator from each tool=92s export format to the canonical =
format. Igor has a short cut for pcb, but that short cut is not =
available to any other flow.

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com



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