X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Pj4LQ++YPhl4x8t40mVs1tS2hQXRIqVbC/JnNH8ipjY=; b=ftT5auSwxgt9aC7OattSs9854MIfc2MeXCoSs2f1kvfvkiZoKg3Iu/OjrGVk5WPxh1 Fk8pAPnbuInmxqFluyVYXiB1SdLdDC+latc2qO6s8Hu/RaEhI1BaIAuUAcAOW0YMSRRb DuWbimrQQjtTdh381Tp0gJkYarBWs21KH9QNzifaPufWv61DqdPSSiJq+1BscFyNwiga LZdrgvo3dOmFDeWFBw/mKlQc/ve6fZBDPWaalc4BNp1Fb/W7R+VmswDxlkdrpdjR5tWm Pt+5SERG2haFR7od4J10d1kisciewXTpqU5KmVrtTvUJ+oH++3lxe54U8KWkYifAV0Ec 1oNQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.73.69 with SMTP id j5mr13661989lbv.124.1451446795771; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:39:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201512291857.tBTIvAkA032000@envy.delorie.com> References: <5AC3D5C5-144F-41AE-9562-47BC34D9047F AT noqsi DOT com> <20151222193859 DOT 26898 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <20151223202851 DOT 637d5b1f AT jive DOT levalinux DOT org> <20151223195846 DOT 8392 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <20151229155647 DOT GA3752 AT localhost DOT localdomain> <201512291857 DOT tBTIvAkA032000 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 03:39:55 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Project leadership From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 1:57 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > To clarify my role in gEDA... > > I never intended to be "in charge of" gEDA - it fell on me because > everyone else who was in charge left. Leadership through attrition > sucks but I didn't want the whole project to vanish so I gave it a > home and kept it alive. > > So now I'm "in charge of" gEDA only because I own the domain names and > master accounts, which gives me control over all the project > resources. That doesn't mean (nor preclude) that I run any of the > gEDA projects, although since the people who did run the projects were > the ones who left, it didn't take much to be the one seen as "running" > the projects also. > > My goals since then were to babysit the projects and hope that people > would "rise to the challenge" and become project leads for the gEDA > projects. To that end, I've been liberal with accounts and > permissions, relying on git to be able to "undo" mistakes. I wanted > to make it as easy as possible for developers to contribute, to > hopefully rebuild the robust community we once had. Sadly, I've spent > more time dealing with the hostility on the mailing list (which is why > the original developers left) than bringing in new developers. > > As for Xorn, there was a contributor who had an exciting new idea and > was willing to do the work. Should I have sent him off on his own? > One more person lost to geda? If you have issues with the xorn > integration, discuss them and fix them, or agree to un-git them. I > will not apologize for trying to inspire new developers. You were right in what you did then. I know initially I was against it but I was wrong. On the same note I have been thinking about something. We should offer Igor2's stuff listed on the geda downloads area next to the mainline. > What we NEED are project leaders who: > > 1. Inspire development in their project > 2. Resolve issues between developers > 3. Coordinate development direction > 4. Manage releases, code sprints, reviews, etc. > 5. 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