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On Dec 29, 2015, at 7:53 PM, DJ Delorie <dj AT delorie DOT com> wrote:

>=20
>> Baloney. For example, for years I've been hearing that users want
>> buried vias.
>=20
> And we've been hearing that users want a way to manage components,

New tools. No change required to the geda-gaf core.

> a
> better scripting language than guile,

Then Xorn is your vehicle. Or maybe something newer. I support this. I =
don=92t support the chaos that implementing this in the existing =
geda-gaf core would entail. It=92s not designed to do this. I do support =
Vladimir=92s program to untangle the existing core and make it more =
flexible by moving more of it to Scheme.

> and a better way to handle
> busses.

That could require some change to gnetlist.

>  A tool can be "fine" without supporting every feature under
> the sun.

Indeed. And in a toolkit, tools get by with help from their friends. The =
best tools do *not* support every feature under the sun.

>=20
>> Almost all of them do their drawing with gschem, but if you read
>> this list, almost all of the trouble they have is with pcb.
>=20
> Because drawing schematics is a simple process, whereas laying out a
> circuit board is complex.  And most of the trouble is in the
> "betweens" - the transistor problem, back/forward annotation,
> component databases, busses.  Gschem is a tiny part of a large
> toolkit, don't assume that because gschem "works" means that the rest
> of the toolkit is problem-free.

Well, I have a lot of experience with exporting designs to other tools =
and I=92ve never seen the kind of struggles that I see on this list with =
pcb.

>=20
>> That makes no sense. Pcb is dependent on geda-gaf to be
>> useful.
>=20
> That makes no sense.  PCB is older than gschem, it was useful before
> geda even existed.
>=20

Perhaps there are a few xcircuit users still around. And a few who just =
design circuits in the layout tool. But I doubt there are many.

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
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jpd AT noqsi DOT com



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