X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yvAKFAlsMeHhSWEsUd/Gd6xuv0wDc56Gq3Bjd7PqUhc=; b=hFT+PL2SC4dD818SE30JqW/Mygr0YhsogGcNfsuyzb9Rjc5CXUHmtauj7DuauYHhhZ ZOkab1UjUEQjTpJkExoe6OaRjCzSMuOOLQIJRHHxx3hIKiGMRY25AZTRvDpUQbVHnLEv 58j3HoNI22usY+bJyvO89b/bhYNiv5PuFeZ2SmL3iqfxfAfjvBDJ1L5uE8MqHj88g6oP rco1Krpjq/+Qp0QVLWhwgD1YTghkXdI46emYKuedgBjCQqQyoOHG6kVfjo3jFHDXFY4Z oVUNwvgVin9GuXCXyk2vKz3u/s19CZtKM8Q/1779EfnxoF9Ty75tqKd5PDEG31QNtr93 1q7w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.73.69 with SMTP id j5mr13350163lbv.124.1451424742434; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:32:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <322D36D8-DAB6-4117-B22B-8FF515B00D2B@noqsi.com> References: <20151229212943 DOT 2d486c8c AT wind DOT levalinux DOT org> <322D36D8-DAB6-4117-B22B-8FF515B00D2B AT noqsi DOT com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:32:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: gEDA and it's future with Scheme & Guile was Re: [geda-user] Project leadership From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id tBTLWS8f004160 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:52 PM, John Doty wrote: > > On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Kovacs Levente (leventelist AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 14:43:17 -0500 >> "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" wrote: >> >>> gEDA is struggling for a lack of development and scheme turns off a >>> lot of wood be contributors. We need people who.... >>> 1. Don't fight so much. >>> 2. Know about EDA software. >>> 3. Have time to work on the project. >>> 4. Know all the languages involved in the project. >>> >>> That is a lot to ask. >> >> Yes. >> >> gEDA is too conservative - I believe. gEDA states it is 'open'. It is open >> source, but the people are closed, and afraid of new technology. > > Not at all. But don’t break old tools: add new ones. > >> We move on, >> or die. > > You don’t have to make unwelcome changes to extend the toolkit. That’s an advantage of a toolkit. Use it. Unwelcome wagon? >> >> I gave up convincing everyone that we need to change this and that. > > Why not just write something? A new gnetlist back end or plugin. A new script to transform schematics. A new Scheme plugin for gschem. *Use* the power of the foundation rather than try to change it. When you do that, you don’t have to convince anybody. > >> >> I'm so tired of all this. I also have 1000 things to do. I also wrote some >> scripts for gEDA, and I fear that I have to throw them away... not because >> the project will evolve into something new, but because, I have to change the >> toolset. > > That’s part of my concern also. That’s a strong reason for stable foundations. > >> >> However, I think gEDA is still a good idea. A set of tools, communicating on >> well defined interfaces. I still think this is the way to go... but if we >> continue this endless discussions without any direction, we are going to do it >> for ourselves, just for its own sake, which makes no sense. >> >> Think! >> >> Levente >> > > John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. > http://www.noqsi.com/ > jpd AT noqsi DOT com > > -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----