X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2DbptW5rYTnU5+ipkTLrhFO1Z7GcPi8WD3HFYKndm+s=; b=NKtUSkWgvwKTZkIOKk2+oeYjlW+x8uabXzY8jncr3UWX4xSrlIjushg/2BP5JcU33x QDCNuzc7BuEIh2kGCEn/xQvMwuzcRJElMo6N1bWLuIBPZyx4RrQke20ifZnHi4QvYrz0 eZq9Ur3i+b/hUXFaUKlFqFbnr2n5PeJ+/AZ9N4mIRoMTURaiGSUiR3B211L/ieGlHY2b 5evQmemQDrW04F1xASWRt0o+TVm1Bxuw7UdLsIUbzjYEgJS5SJmd5+3wjn1tHOCqW1JB vV710Jmq/J+gHY1mUkOp4ghCtrdTdJnvZXimQBNn4oXedQ8MAgnaET/k+SfLV0EXp2sn zP3Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.153.130 with SMTP id b124mr5735701lfe.81.1451413417849; Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151229171221.GB3752@localhost.localdomain> References: <5AC3D5C5-144F-41AE-9562-47BC34D9047F AT noqsi DOT com> <20151222193859 DOT 26898 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <20151223202851 DOT 637d5b1f AT jive DOT levalinux DOT org> <20151223195846 DOT 8392 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <5681E059 DOT 9070202 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20151229171221 DOT GB3752 AT localhost DOT localdomain> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:23:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Project leadership From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 07:22:33PM -0600, John Griessen wrote: >> On 12/28/2015 06:46 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> >I thought PCB was lead by DJ? >> >> PCB is needing a champion, and I don't see how that will be helped by splitting it off. > > All our projects need champions. I don't believe those could be > people who don't work on the code or on the documentation/ideas some > way. I could name those people driving us forward for some of our > projects: I see the man who continues to pull all gEDA with all > its contradictions is DJ, the man who continues to work fine on PCB is > Bert. Unfortunately, geda-gaf has lost such a leader (I mean Peter > B.) due to unfriendly acts of some our collaborators. I very Yes I remember. > appreciate Edward's work though I feel we see geda-gaf future > differently. I, for one, wish to unify geda core functions and > rewrite them in Scheme in order to get rid of our C-Scheme-C > structure, throw out duplicated functionality, simplify internal > structure, and make functions less opaque for both C and Scheme > levels. (BTW, gschem has REPL now, are you aware of it? ;)) A while back we debated this. I though we agreed on de-emphasising scheme's use? (You and peter b were the only too proponents for it) I could be miss interpreting your plan here but it sounds like you are going to replace more of the C with Scheme. I was not aware of REPL but that is handy. > As DJ has said (related to another issue), we cannot win in the > state we have now. We need leaders for every our projects. And if > he/she decides we must go the way I don't want to, I'll better > leave rather than annoy people and stay on our user's way (am I > wrong here?). I think in this context a champion is a person who tries to wrangle people and settle fights. The > Cheers, > Vladimir -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v2 mQENBFYy4RYBCAC183JomLtbdAlcKiaPDoVHq52LDmVmH75aiEc69m7YxDt54/ai VtYCAobbGVIyn3Hlz3uhF6LnPl/6Lm1VdnCfpwu3KQhCO6ds10ow2C30X4ohCqOd hCVg5C+ILmQkEffFrFODy3ji+PYTF4pADvHCWsTMv0hf0llwFOJsBCK6cl02IffE JPqy4PjM1nZ9HpzT84JBaG/4OGvTZ8SQ2yFUl265jagvygPTf88H1xpZHH1r8dB1 stjUHLmPH8AOyDgKxFchgGeDc3p/vJtgDDIXAFfDXG0NSRovLmtaQdGxe47Zf/go bXiEM7YL2WqQe5zfEA919JxkEwlDKYniOSVzABEBAAG0N0V2YW4gRm9zcyAoVGhp cyBpcyBteSBwdWJsaWMga2V5LikgPGV2YW5mb3NzQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JATkEEwEC ACMFAlYy4RYCGwMHCwkIBwMCAQYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCIpQTcE8nN bbBaCACAm8pU5lG1ev2Fsw68Axtcl57SJrYieqX96c3YuYH9JpqMqJRnd9nDKw9X tQuvuH7tUk0VbOaDqReOYJVI/4c5wb9AaOFp6K2DUcupq6XhgXpvz3HzoPwjAdIj XuQzdRUx5+innTJrSkGuBYW/CZ2zqEx4xfLlq4rO0hoTUMR8QVp2cCrkw6BT0m86 APIw/ZnjoxM8IEzr7MxfRIg3qpzrZk28rmhx+k78Jyk61UhwcCPGIm/pjUopTwYJ 3YBdRB2cYD2aN7A1JVf5cRmSQYooHBGpH0kYvomGk97PKqypVuJ7OpG9xM58wUcC qUVt9hKlePLzP8csYjt8onqI7qIIuQENBFYy4RYBCADlH8spG3WkCx62vB5mr5Z0 SCDd/RcyA4A5y5EOj5KurQkrSWpgi9Ho1yKruMJ6blQR2qkc66KqH9pnXDm/ZI1M K/wdW3ngETxBmXoozzFMT89aEWIVR5/PFodWK1elekE9iJxACuR98Zg2QttTD3x8 A9w8VEyMLOXcDTrPFpHegMKswFBg5iuMulAdXAoGejWTI3n+qKFpabHm2Lfs6wjk 5rjucpTdeFK6UeWF1xAvNxXibuu5BlGwv53930qIXRwO/Gn2Rh5DXWxKU2fEIme/ xgQQmIsDeUoWbfybdjw/x7Q0LW4mINiLDQcGHHRQKFIxbAJCT3USPLGh5xwE9/Er ABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAlYy4RYCGwwACgkQiKUE3BPJzW0uYAf9Hf30n8tM3mR2 Zo6ESE0ivgdgjaJtAWrBUx7JzAzPjBnBOlNnu5Y9lVEqetvUPH6e3PvaHYUuaUU8 0HwxuKBW9nUprgV6uIu1DZmlcp+SxpbuCy7RDpNocRLNWWFMaYYzznmTgfnTgD4D gCq8Mf1mcfrluTkOAo+QNqbMfl1GISClopRqxVuAo59ewgMnFujwgd8w12BwWl24 CzqOs5HqcUslePj+LzcjSNgVCklYwKl+0dsb/fctMOCtHodwqm2CBJ+zydvNmYkD fxda/J91Z1xrah5ec++FL0L4vs+jCiIWJeupJFKlr1hCMZiiGH7W554loK5l4jv3 EY347EidAw== =Ta4p -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----