X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 22:29:16 -0500 From: "al davis (ad252 AT freeelectron DOT net) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Proposing a New Hierarchical Data Structure? Message-ID: <20151222222916.1600543a@floyd.freeelectron.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20151221030451 DOT 02399163eb3e40f21c622c41 AT gmail DOT com> <20151221203331 DOT 20837 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> <20151222002012 DOT a88d7fe32a9336855eccd1d0 AT gmail DOT com> <201512220412 DOT tBM4CJxb018546 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <20151222153828 DOT 28d3996c10f3182c5efc780a AT gmail DOT com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 15:13:57 +0000 "Peter Clifton (petercjclifton AT googlemail DOT com) wrote: > gEDA, nor any other open-source EDA package I know (at this point in > the tool-chain), is the basis of any academic research. gEDA, probably true. Others, not true. Spice, Gnucap, and several others came out of academic research. Gnucap has been the basis of several projects in academic research, and still is. Open source and academic research have a long history of some kind of relationship. One thing that bewilders me is that most of the lesser schools vigorously shun open source, while the leaders are more likely to embrace it. Even those that embrace it rarely contribute back to the project that spawned their work. > The kind of > problems we are _still_ arguing about, and trying to solve have long > ceased to be novel areas for research. This IS true, and a major factor that drives them away. It's also a factor that divides us, so we get forks rather than collaboration. But don't forget, not all academic "research" is at the Ph.D. level, or at schools that are capable of it. There is a big opportunity in the middle. We are missing it completely, and they are too. And .. not all "academic" research is in an academic institution. Not all is in ANY institution. Open source provides such opportunities to anyone who steps up to them. Admittedly, most of those are not successful, but could be if they were nurtured.