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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015, DJ Delorie wrote:

>
>> Despite of all the huge amount of work the have invested, unless they make
>> the work really publicly available, I'd prefer not building on it.
>
> I.e. you want someone to either steal the work for you, or do a great
> deal of work on your behalf without any compensation?

Nope. As far as I understood, we are considering the very first step of a 
roadmap. The first step is about how to pick a file format or data 
structure. Peter proposed a specific standard and listed a lot of pros.

My point is only this: not having the standard freely available is a con 
that we should not ignore.

>
> I don't think either of these are valid ways to run a project.  The
> ISO standards are always copyright protected and sold for a fee;
> that's how ISO funds its operation.  Much of the software you use
> today is built on ISO standards - including the C/C++ language that
> gEDA uses.
>
> The ISO standards are publically available, for a fee.  They are not
> "proprietary" or "secret", just not "free of charge".

Ok, so if I buy it once, can I just include a copy in the documentation of 
the software dostribution? I assume not. For me this makes it non-free,
not the price I paid for it.

And I do hate when this happens with any of the standards, including ANSI 
or ISO standards, including C. I still do use C, but that doesn't mean I 
have to like or deny the non-free aspects.

> So if you want to refrain from using this standard because you feel
> it's too expensive for you to purchase, fine.  But please do not
> confuse the "free" in "free software" with "everything else should be
> available to me without charge too".  Even the FSF charges a fee for
> its software, to fund its activities.

I did not say I wanted to refrain from using the standard because it was 
expensive. It was your (mis)interpretation. I said a drawback of the 
standard is that it is non-free (not mainly in the charge sense).

I am wondering how this thread went into the usual senseless geda flamewar 
this fast...