X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3TOPjbTy7+s+x3syl3ys+T799slVnVO/ceefhePsQ6Y=; b=zFsF3aPpD5u8bG8rvWKKMHyxtpm4FeAshc2ImLhC0IQrPTQ8h1GQjUtvU3PrPrVQeC tRKxhRlW8edrggqqxGLRN6rhuIBoA8c3vYlClgpxzvj6ckLjLSKsOzlAryxuPpPb8Sgy YVqsL5bqW/TTmXRZXsbsxIinevh6jI7yCKtoRrZsHyvVkmZ/b5tTekA5nf3ktZP+8LbF euSYqpOmhL8szCLdRYPeqwuSPfpQDxiALu3NGo2cNXHstLI12iZyrv2M6YjHlWDAEloY 9sPajcVJmSEOVW7qMF/KhEVYIJX/muX1r6N2YKLO704pNn6vN406d2yvbYtUIWNE0rem T8zQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.64.72 with SMTP id m8mr14892940lbs.41.1444749496913; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201510130632.t9D6WbG5008643@envy.delorie.com> References: <1042003D-82E2-40F0-AB60-8186580C46AD AT noqsi DOT com> <20151012220005 DOT GC11989 AT visitor2 DOT iram DOT es> <20151013075427 DOT ebe071d65cbd1277d7f3c714 AT gmail DOT com> <201510130632 DOT t9D6WbG5008643 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 11:18:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile From: "Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: gEDA users mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:32 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> I also agree about poor usefulness of auto placement. The firts >> problem is the decoupling capacitors. Maybe it would work better >> with autoplacement in several steps: >> 1. Disperse components. >> 2. Place decoupling capacitors. >> 3. As a first approximation place tightly coupled components as >> groups which of curse may be very hard to define. >> 4. Autoplace this group of components there the tightly coupled >> components may have to be fine tuned. > > Autoplace is one of those things that's easy to experiment with using a plug-in. > > It's also something that's very hard to "get right" algorithm-wise. > > Heck, even a plugin that auto-selects bypass caps would be a > considerable challenge, but very useful. There should be an initial autoplace to just drop stuff on the page and then a re-placement when the autorouter considers trace lengths/impedances. This is not just a factor for bypass capacitors. > I did one project where bypass caps had their own refdes (CB instead > of just C) and were numbered according to the pins they went with, but > that project only had one big IC on it anyway... -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/