X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Original-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jd0Fir9xRWzQI6INDEuBVcQzgXoctBpj9ycupHQ71eQ=; b=vvG8YGhEFkt37dmxuaJOCa+GSG94oy5/n9CZCsDiZLdmDEQgJY3rAZBgCHlsmrbcgG cselph8XIH0ugtUbfO+DrBMR45tfVxtbEhcVdgohyN9Qml4lk7USDyxRov44yl7O9Und zdMtnFEhqn65WbOePagv88nuHTwkx9BI+w+Sgy/P/9vXpNxm4nOePN1229jDoZ/ilZyp 6PiwG0QoaJ9k8AqsdYGyouBa84cK1tZAsKY0Src0Iw6xrc9akrPlbHKh7vPt/7TVD8gJ 86Ez//lIXwB9CgKZOeY2USdAEjpYXQlJnDeeWO7JprtuygO8CJynqeUYOJB7T6BOi3Lz 94Yw== X-Received: by 10.180.21.180 with SMTP id w20mr1831611wie.24.1444719688842; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:01:27 +0200 From: "Nicklas Karlsson (nicklas DOT karlsson17 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile Message-Id: <20151013090127.45f1768e05730735222b0a59@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201510130632.t9D6WbG5008643@envy.delorie.com> References: <1042003D-82E2-40F0-AB60-8186580C46AD AT noqsi DOT com> <20151012220005 DOT GC11989 AT visitor2 DOT iram DOT es> <20151013075427 DOT ebe071d65cbd1277d7f3c714 AT gmail DOT com> <201510130632 DOT t9D6WbG5008643 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0beta1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > > I also agree about poor usefulness of auto placement. The firts > > problem is the decoupling capacitors. Maybe it would work better > > with autoplacement in several steps: > > 1. Disperse components. > > 2. Place decoupling capacitors. > > 3. As a first approximation place tightly coupled components as > > groups which of curse may be very hard to define. > > 4. Autoplace this group of components there the tightly coupled > > components may have to be fine tuned. > > Autoplace is one of those things that's easy to experiment with using a plug-in. > > It's also something that's very hard to "get right" algorithm-wise. > > Heck, even a plugin that auto-selects bypass caps would be a > considerable challenge, but very useful. > > I did one project where bypass caps had their own refdes (CB instead > of just C) and were numbered according to the pins they went with, but > that project only had one big IC on it anyway... I guess a bypass capcitor could be defined as this: it is connected to power and ground lines, there is one for each power input of components. Special naming or attributes I guess would add to much clutter to be worth it except for special cases. I think it would be a good idea to make find and place bypass capacitors be the first step in auto placement. Then this have been done there must be a mechanism to work with them as a group. As soon as I get enough time I will try to take a look at this and the bug list of course. If I succeed I guess this could be added as a first step before current algorithm.