X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com From: John Doty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CC3D50A0-6F60-479B-BB09-85BA0559C213" Message-Id: <8B61C37B-3B46-4242-977F-3C4EE384EF1C@noqsi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] FOSDEM Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:29:32 -0700 References: <1420499386 DOT 3521 DOT 3 DOT camel AT cam DOT ac DOT uk> <20150202152654 DOT GA13336 AT cuci DOT nl> <54CFD589 DOT 9040702 AT xs4all DOT nl>

<20150203112631 DOT 3507a0c1 AT Parasomnia DOT thuis DOT lan> <20150204054256 DOT Horde DOT Pm1JV8RJbICk9SHvIGwZ7A3 AT webmail DOT in-berlin DOT de> <20150204193720 DOT Horde DOT 42xUN-NzhCJRWZne-M5eCQ1 AT webmail DOT in-berlin DOT de> <90236728-E79D-47C7-BFB1-34140DB85ACB AT sbcglobal DOT net> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_CC3D50A0-6F60-479B-BB09-85BA0559C213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Feb 5, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Ouabache Designworks = wrote: >=20 > A tool is nothing more than an algorithm expressed in a language. We = should be designing and testing the algorithms to allow multiple = expressions of those tools to coexist so that we can do head to head = battles of scheme vs python vs lua etc. We kind of have that in geda-gaf in that we have a well documented = schematic and symbol interchange format. It=92s very easy to parse and = write with a variety of tools, ancient and modern. However, we also have = a bunch of infrastructure that *only* has a Guile API, and underneath = that is a bunch of C infrastructure configured through Guile but = otherwise difficult of access via a script. As far as I know, nobody has = yet written a geda netlister without Guile. We have few plugins for = gschem: Guile is a barrier. And if you want to *control* hierarchical = expansion beyond simply turning it on or off, you have a long road = ahead. Thus, the infrastructure locks in the language in an important subset of = cases. It is important that the infrastructure be accessible from a = widely familiar language that=92s easy to learn. In my world, people = fluent in Guile are rare. People fluent in Lua are nonexistent (I don=92t = do games). But Python is ubiquitous. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_CC3D50A0-6F60-479B-BB09-85BA0559C213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

On Feb 5, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Ouabache = Designworks <z3qmtr45 AT gmail DOT com> = wrote:

A tool is = nothing more than an algorithm expressed in a language. We should = be designing and testing the algorithms to allow multiple expressions of = those tools to coexist so that we can do head to head battles of scheme = vs python vs lua = etc.

We kind of = have that in geda-gaf in that we have a well documented schematic and = symbol interchange format. It=92s very easy to parse and write with a = variety of tools, ancient and modern. However, we also have a bunch of = infrastructure that *only* has a Guile API, and underneath that is a = bunch of C infrastructure configured through Guile but otherwise = difficult of access via a script. As far as I know, nobody has yet = written a geda netlister without Guile. We have few plugins for gschem: = Guile is a barrier. And if you want to *control* hierarchical expansion = beyond simply turning it on or off, you have a long road = ahead.

Thus, the infrastructure locks in the language = in an important subset of cases. It is important that the infrastructure = be accessible from a widely familiar language that=92s easy to learn. In = my world, people fluent in Guile are rare. People fluent in Lua are = nonexistent (I don=92t do games). But Python is = ubiquitous.

John Doty Noqsi = Aerospace, Ltd.

http://www.noqsi.com/

jpd AT noqsi DOT com

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