X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TMN: [4FEZ+9SwWPlPasGW5YPNXqf9e/fnRzUk] X-Originating-Email: [vuokko AT msn DOT com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a00db3bb-3115-41b2-8a64-4f2ab1bf3a2f_" From: Hannu Vuolasaho To: "geda-user AT delorie DOT com" Subject: RE: [geda-user] Proposal: don't install less-used utility scripts Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:28:53 +0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20140313182146.1277.qmail@stuge.se> References: <2F8CDC84-BAD2-4A95-82BA-456716E0F9D0 AT noqsi DOT com>,<20140313182146 DOT 1277 DOT qmail AT stuge DOT se> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2014 20:28:54.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAA02C30:01CF3EFA] Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --_a00db3bb-3115-41b2-8a64-4f2ab1bf3a2f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Thu=2C 13 Mar 2014 19:21:45 +0100 > From: peter AT stuge DOT se > To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com > Subject: Re: [geda-user] Proposal: don't install less-used utility script= s >=20 > John Doty wrote: > > Unfortunately=2C our ability to interoperate with other EDA is declinin= g. > > This is not anything we can easily fix: the rest of the world is moving > > to opaque integrated environments. >=20 > Bad scene indeed. Question is why the world does that? It is the easiness of use or user experience or something like that. Most of the time doing things goes to enjoying the experience when the job should be get done. I showed to a friend how I created some symbols to gschem. I downloaded datasheet=2C converted it to text and copy pasted values for djboxsym. Less than five minutes. Ansver was something like too hard or complicated. After five minutes my friend had drawn outline and written 6 pin names and one was even wrong. So My undersanding is that people want integrated environments where they have only one way to go. Learning to use tools is too big task. Propably those tools which John Doty is referring can import netlist but users doesn't know how to do that. Best regards=2C Hannu Vuolasaho = --_a00db3bb-3115-41b2-8a64-4f2ab1bf3a2f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>=3B Date: Thu=2C= 13 Mar 2014 19:21:45 +0100
>=3B From: peter AT stuge DOT se
>=3B To: ge= da-user AT delorie DOT com
>=3B Subject: Re: [geda-user] Proposal: don't inst= all less-used utility scripts
>=3B
>=3B John Doty wrote:
>= =3B >=3B Unfortunately=2C our ability to interoperate with other EDA is d= eclining.
>=3B >=3B This is not anything we can easily fix: the rest= of the world is moving
>=3B >=3B to opaque integrated environments.=
>=3B
>=3B Bad scene indeed. Question is why the world does that= ?

It is the easiness of use or user experience or something like tha= t.

Most of the time doing things goes to enjoying the experience whe= n
the job should be get done.

I showed to a friend how I created = some symbols to gschem.
I downloaded datasheet=2C converted it to text a= nd copy pasted values for
djboxsym. Less than five minutes.

Ansve= r was something like too hard or complicated. After five minutes
my frie= nd had drawn outline and written 6 pin names and one was even
wrong.
=
So My undersanding is that people want integrated environments wherethey have only one way to go. Learning to use tools is too big task.
Propably =3B those tools which John Doty is referring can import = =3B netlist but
users doesn't know how to do that.

Best regards= =2C
Hannu Vuolasaho

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