X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Message-ID: <4F4F0E70.3010900@innocent.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:51:44 -0500 From: Gus Fantanas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Vias smaller than 21mil; making REFDES disappear in PCB References: <4F4D2B16 DOT 9000802 AT gmail DOT com> <4F4DA74F DOT 4040209 AT innocent DOT com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 02/29/2012 01:29 AM, Russell Dill wrote: >> (2) I am laying out a board where the layout is very tight. There is no >> room for REFDESes. However, I will need the REFDESes in the printout of the >> layout because the board will assembled by hand. I would like a way to turn >> the REFDESes on the PBC selectively on and off, so when I print the gerbers >> to send to fab house, the REFDESes which take too much space will not show >> up, but I can still turn on the REFDESes at a later time, when I print the >> layout at some magnification. The silkscreen contains some items I would >> like printed on the actual PCB, so it is not an issue of turning the >> silkscreen on and off. I manipulated the PCB with vim, turning all REFDES >> sizes to zero. Unfortunately, PCB printed little blobs on the silkscreen >> then. Any ideas? > What you want is an assembly drawing. Yes, you nailed it! > PCB has some support for this, > just not the features you want. There is a pretty good example here: > > http://blogs.mentor.com/tom-hausherr/blog/2011/05/04/pcb-design-perfection-starts-in-the-cad-library-part-16/ Thank you! > > Modifying PCB to support that would be pretty easy. The first step > would be would be always printing the refdes in the center of the > part. The second would be specifying some flag for certain pads not to > print so that they don't obscure the refdes, this could be automatic. > And the third would be to add an optional outline layer for > footprints. If the layer is there, it uses that, otherwise it uses the > silk. I would like to suggest this as a future feature, along with buried/blind vias. If, in PCB, there were a way to copy the component and solder layers each to a different layer, then both of the new layers could become the assembly drawing. For now, if I could move the refdes'es to another layer, that, too, would do it. I would move the troublesome refdes'es to other layers and just not submit the gerbers for these layers. To come up with an assembly schematic, I could print (or export) these layers along with the component and solder layers at the appropriate magnification.